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I guess this is where we need to define our anology for a sysadmin the customer is "the employer" and they do not really have a contract with the sysadmin, rat

by syshum 6y ago

I guess this is where we need to define our anology for a sysadmin the customer is "the employer" and they do not really have a contract with the sysadmin, rather the employer has contract with Cisco, or Nimble, etc. the sysadmin has "outsourced" his/her responsibility in that context. For example instead of rolling your own storage device using linux, or freenas or something else, you buy an expensive 3rd party solution with expensive support contracts to outsource their responsibility. If it goes down "I have a support ticket open with vendor" instead of "I am attempting to merge the lastest kernel patch I have downloaded from github" That is the source of the phrase "No one ever got fired for buying Cisco" or insert name of other large vendor. They do not get fired for it because they have outsourced their responsibility

CaptArmchair 6y ago
That's a fair point. And it's a good point. There's a difference in types of contracts and the relationships they represent. An employee/employer relationship is distinct from a customer/vendor relationship. An employee/employer relationship is defined by a few key properties. As an employee, you sell your time and your expertise to your employer, and you agree to submit to the authority of your employer in exchange for a salary. The extent of your responsibility - and this is absolutely key - is captured in your contract. It also means that many things simply aren't your responsibility to begin with, even though you deal with them on a day-to-day basis. As a systems administrator you, quite likely, won't get fired for failing Cisco gear or services because you're not the one who ultimately signs off on the contract with Cisco on behalf of your employer. Responsibility has always resided with the executives who cover and sanction your actions and decisions. An executive, though, usually won't get fired over failing Cisco gear/services itself, but they will get fired over any ensuing loss of revenue, damage to brand/image, litigation over exposed liabilities,... A great example of this is President Harry S. Truman who famously had a sign on his desk stating "The buck stops here". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_passing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_passing As for the systems administrator, your role is to actively engage in day-to-day operations. You're basically hired "to keep the lights on". Whether the proverbial "light" was procured from Cisco or handcrafted in-house is inconsequential to your employer as far as your individual role as an employee is concerned.

by syshum 6y ago

CaptArmchair 6y ago

That's a fair point. And it's a good point. There's a difference in types of contracts and the relationships they represent. An employee/employer relationship is distinct from a customer/vendor relationship. An employee/employer relationship is defined by a few key properties. As an employee, you sell your time and your expertise to your employer, and you agree to submit to the authority of your employer in exchange for a salary. The extent of your responsibility - and this is absolutely key - is captured in your contract. It also means that many things simply aren't your responsibility to begin with, even though you deal with them on a day-to-day basis. As a systems administrator you, quite likely, won't get fired for failing Cisco gear or services because you're not the one who ultimately signs off on the contract with Cisco on behalf of your employer. Responsibility has always resided with the executives who cover and sanction your actions and decisions. An executive, though, usually won't get fired over failing Cisco gear/services itself, but they will get fired over any ensuing loss of revenue, damage to brand/image, litigation over exposed liabilities,... A great example of this is President Harry S. Truman who famously had a sign on his desk stating "The buck stops here". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_passing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_passing As for the systems administrator, your role is to actively engage in day-to-day operations. You're basically hired "to keep the lights on". Whether the proverbial "light" was procured from Cisco or handcrafted in-house is inconsequential to your employer as far as your individual role as an employee is concerned.