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It's a model of monarchical disposal that has been successfully used by Germany, Greece and Romania. Letting them stay and keep all their vast wealth would ris

It's a model of monarchical disposal that has been successfully used by Germany, Greece and Romania. Letting them stay and keep all their vast wealth would risk allowing them continued influence. Also, the birth of the United Republic should involve a peaceful transfer of power, so doing this in the French style is completely out of the question.

zepto 6y ago
I didn’t ask how it would work. I asked what the grounds for removal would be?
- crumbshot 6y ago
  Removal in what sense? Are you seeking clarification on why the monarchy should be abolished, or the benefits of imposing exile?
  - zepto 6y ago
    I’m not talking about the benefits. I’m talking about what legal process is used, and what grounds are given for that process.
    - crumbshot 6y ago
      It would be done by statute. The only grounds necessary would be that Parliament is sovereign. Of course, it would need a majority in both Houses, and in practical terms would require popular approval too.
- Wingman4l7 6y ago
  You need "grounds" to remove a monarch?! What are their grounds for the power they currently wield??
  - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
    You might need grounds to exile them. At least, you might need grounds for the public to see that as a reasonable step.
  - zepto 6y ago
    If you are going to do it legally, yes. I presume whoever escorts them out of the palace will want some legal authority to do so. The grounds for the power they currently wield is that it’s the law.
  - throwaway_kufu 6y ago
    > What are their grounds for the power they currently wield?? In this case...Constitutional.
  - 7steps2much 6y ago
    You definitely need grounds to exile them / strip their wealth. Taking away their political powers / their status as royals is one thing, but exiling someone is punishment. You can't just hand out punishment for no good reason. If they commited crimes that were illegal at the time they were commited they should stand trial for that, but I very much doubt any of those are serious enough to warrant exile.
7steps2much 6y ago
It is important to note that these "monarchial disposals" as you call them were used to get rid of monarchs that abused their powers, led their nation into wars, commited horrendus crimes, etc. While you can take away their powers pretty easily via a law everything else, such as striping their wealth, would be punishment that needs to be justified. The Queen hasn't started any wars or genocides as far as I am aware, so how would you justify this punishment? Her being a royal is completely legal after all!

zepto 6y ago

I didn’t ask how it would work. I asked what the grounds for removal would be?

crumbshot 6y ago
Removal in what sense? Are you seeking clarification on why the monarchy should be abolished, or the benefits of imposing exile?
- zepto 6y ago
  I’m not talking about the benefits. I’m talking about what legal process is used, and what grounds are given for that process.
  - crumbshot 6y ago
    It would be done by statute. The only grounds necessary would be that Parliament is sovereign. Of course, it would need a majority in both Houses, and in practical terms would require popular approval too.
Wingman4l7 6y ago
You need "grounds" to remove a monarch?! What are their grounds for the power they currently wield??
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  You might need grounds to exile them. At least, you might need grounds for the public to see that as a reasonable step.
- zepto 6y ago
  If you are going to do it legally, yes. I presume whoever escorts them out of the palace will want some legal authority to do so. The grounds for the power they currently wield is that it’s the law.
- throwaway_kufu 6y ago
  > What are their grounds for the power they currently wield?? In this case...Constitutional.
- 7steps2much 6y ago
  You definitely need grounds to exile them / strip their wealth. Taking away their political powers / their status as royals is one thing, but exiling someone is punishment. You can't just hand out punishment for no good reason. If they commited crimes that were illegal at the time they were commited they should stand trial for that, but I very much doubt any of those are serious enough to warrant exile.

7steps2much 6y ago

It is important to note that these "monarchial disposals" as you call them were used to get rid of monarchs that abused their powers, led their nation into wars, commited horrendus crimes, etc. While you can take away their powers pretty easily via a law everything else, such as striping their wealth, would be punishment that needs to be justified. The Queen hasn't started any wars or genocides as far as I am aware, so how would you justify this punishment? Her being a royal is completely legal after all!