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Really? Copyright law is the real problem and not the extrajudicial murder of citizens by police? Must be nice to be insulated from worrying about that.

zepto 6y ago
Erm yes. Documenting police activities with video is a good way to improve accountability. Copyright law is getting in the way of that. Merely being aghast at extrajudicial killings doesn’t stop them.
- minikites 6y ago
  >Documenting police activities with video is a good way to improve accountability. The Rodney King beating was filmed 30 years ago, so evidently we need more than just documenting it. We need to elect people who will actually defund the police, because reform clearly doesn't work.
  - zepto 6y ago
    You can’t seriously be suggesting that the ability to record video with cellphones that even the homeless now own and upload it to be viewed globally by millions in real-time has existed for 30 years.
    - minikites 6y ago
      What's different now? Cops still aren't punished when they murder people, despite the prevalence of cell phones.
      - zepto 6y ago
        You can’t seriously be suggesting that public opinion and awareness about police brutality hasn’t changed in the last 30 years.
        minikites 6y ago
        >public opinion and awareness about police brutality >Merely being aghast at extrajudicial killings doesn’t stop them I genuinely don't know what point you're trying to make.
        zepto 6y ago
        You wrote: > Copyright law is the real problem and not the extrajudicial murder of citizens by police? I am pointing out why this is a false dichotomy.
jariel 6y ago
"Documenting police activities with video is a good way to improve accountability. " Where is the evidece of this? Documenting deadly encounters with police probably is a good thing. But 99.99% of encounters with police are not that, I'm not sure filming every encounter is necessarily productive, you'll have to provide some evidence. In my country, we don't film the police, there is not a lot of police violence, and of course, there is not a lot of gun crime. In US about 40% of households or 22% of individuals own guns. More likely among those doing bad things, so you can say 30% of the people cops are dealing with own guns. There's a very high chance that someone they pull over, has a gun. Other complex issues aside, consider if you could magically take away those 270M guns, what would the outcome be? And how would policing change? How would the posture of public servants in those situations change? As for filming, I'd rather see strong rules about their bodycam uses, ie when it has to be on, off etc.. Like for example, they have to have it on for pullovers, or if they are in any kind of complex interaction.

zepto 6y ago

Erm yes. Documenting police activities with video is a good way to improve accountability. Copyright law is getting in the way of that. Merely being aghast at extrajudicial killings doesn’t stop them.

minikites 6y ago
>Documenting police activities with video is a good way to improve accountability. The Rodney King beating was filmed 30 years ago, so evidently we need more than just documenting it. We need to elect people who will actually defund the police, because reform clearly doesn't work.
- zepto 6y ago
  You can’t seriously be suggesting that the ability to record video with cellphones that even the homeless now own and upload it to be viewed globally by millions in real-time has existed for 30 years.
  - minikites 6y ago
    What's different now? Cops still aren't punished when they murder people, despite the prevalence of cell phones.
    - zepto 6y ago
      You can’t seriously be suggesting that public opinion and awareness about police brutality hasn’t changed in the last 30 years.
      - minikites 6y ago
        >public opinion and awareness about police brutality >Merely being aghast at extrajudicial killings doesn’t stop them I genuinely don't know what point you're trying to make.
        zepto 6y ago
        You wrote: > Copyright law is the real problem and not the extrajudicial murder of citizens by police? I am pointing out why this is a false dichotomy.

jariel 6y ago

"Documenting police activities with video is a good way to improve accountability. " Where is the evidece of this? Documenting deadly encounters with police probably is a good thing. But 99.99% of encounters with police are not that, I'm not sure filming every encounter is necessarily productive, you'll have to provide some evidence. In my country, we don't film the police, there is not a lot of police violence, and of course, there is not a lot of gun crime. In US about 40% of households or 22% of individuals own guns. More likely among those doing bad things, so you can say 30% of the people cops are dealing with own guns. There's a very high chance that someone they pull over, has a gun. Other complex issues aside, consider if you could magically take away those 270M guns, what would the outcome be? And how would policing change? How would the posture of public servants in those situations change? As for filming, I'd rather see strong rules about their bodycam uses, ie when it has to be on, off etc.. Like for example, they have to have it on for pullovers, or if they are in any kind of complex interaction.