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> Motives aside ... Motives aside isn't a valid reduction of their action, the motives you have when you take an action are very much a part of whether that ac

by munk-a 6y ago

> Motives aside ... Motives aside isn't a valid reduction of their action, the motives you have when you take an action are very much a part of whether that action is illegal. This is why both murder and manslaughter charges exist as separate crimes in most legal jurisdictions. I don't know if this would be strictly illegal - it'll depend on what, precisely, police officers are required to do w.r.t. civilian oversight and it might require specific legislation to resolve. However, the intent of the police officers is to prevent people from filming, if they are attempting to accomplish this through playing music because more direct actions have been restricted then a court is probably not going to look kindly on their actions. As a parallel if you are barred from dumping hazardous materials on state park land and instead dump that on an interstate that passes through state park land a court will likely find you in violation.

dghlsakjg 6y ago
Filming police activity, and posting the footage has been continuously upheld as a first amendment protected activity. If these claims are true then the police (acting as the government) are attempting to restrict free speech. If the cops are dumb enough to have put this in writing (most cops generally forget that text messages are admissable in court), it would seem that the government is intentionally restricting free speech.
- HarryHirsch 6y ago
  Apparently, the suggestion of playing music to defeat witnesses was made in some warrior cop training seminar. What to do about that? They are training cops to defeat the constitution using copyright filters, that can't be right.
- stale2002 6y ago
  No, this is not them restricting free speech in the same way that if the cop walked away he would be restricting anyone's free speech. You can film them all you want, but they aren't forced to stand there. They can go away if they like.

by munk-a 6y ago

dghlsakjg 6y ago

Filming police activity, and posting the footage has been continuously upheld as a first amendment protected activity. If these claims are true then the police (acting as the government) are attempting to restrict free speech. If the cops are dumb enough to have put this in writing (most cops generally forget that text messages are admissable in court), it would seem that the government is intentionally restricting free speech.

HarryHirsch 6y ago
Apparently, the suggestion of playing music to defeat witnesses was made in some warrior cop training seminar. What to do about that? They are training cops to defeat the constitution using copyright filters, that can't be right.
stale2002 6y ago
No, this is not them restricting free speech in the same way that if the cop walked away he would be restricting anyone's free speech. You can film them all you want, but they aren't forced to stand there. They can go away if they like.