I meant the regular toolbars underneath the menus (in MFC it was CToolbar, I think), that in Win95 were a set of regular icon buttons, including a beveled edge.

I meant the regular toolbars underneath the menus (in MFC it was CToolbar, I think), that in Win95 were a set of regular icon buttons, including a beveled edge. Within a few Office and OS versions, that changed to first dropping the beveled edge, as we might realize that icons under the menu are buttons, and there would be less visual noise, then large buttons with icons + text, and finally getting into an incestous relationship with the menu and becoming ribbons. (Although, I do the old-fashioned taskbar settings, too.)