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There are many white collar jobs besides tech. And there are many good paying blue collar professions. If you are against H1-B then so be it. There is definite

by babesh 6y ago

There are many white collar jobs besides tech. And there are many good paying blue collar professions. If you are against H1-B then so be it. There is definitely some abuse but there is some good too. I would say that it would be best to reform it.

rexpop 6y ago
> definitely some abuse What abuse? I am not talking about abuse, I am talking about its proper use in the normal course of events, which I consider deleterious to the global economic health: specifically the introduction of anti-union, anti-local workers to technology industry. And I am uninterested in "white collar jobs besides tech". The tech industry is "eating the world" as Marc Andreessen put it. All meaningful political the power is in the hands of technology industrialists, so it matters who is represented in the technology industry.
- babesh 6y ago
  Your two opinions contradict each other. On the one hand, you say you are for illegal immigration but on the other you are against the H1-B program. Those anti union, anti local workers as you call them are coming in via illegal immigration if you get your way. There are many powers besides tech: Wall Street, government, education, medical, military industrial complex, intelligence services, law, media, energy, etc... As tech gets bigger, it appears to be splitting into coalitions based on self interest as well.
  - rexpop 6y ago
    > anti union, anti local workers as you call them are coming in via illegal immigration No they're not. What makes you think that? I have worked in the tech industry all my adult life, and worked closely with countless H1-B holders and they have all, as a rule, been egregiously anti workers-rights, elitist, chauvinistic, misogynistic, and racist; with _few_ exceptions. I see no reason to assume the same of a different group. As for these "many powers", they are all nodes of the same industrial tree, and across that tree we see poor representation of Black, Latino, Dalit, and Indigenous leadership and disproportionately representation from White, Han Chinese, and Brahmin communities (although there are obviously still significant prejudicial barriers before Indian workers of all stripes). None of the sectors you mentioned are free from systemic racial prejudice. It irritates me to no end when Model Minorities complain of racial prejudice while deliberately ignoring the systemic factors which foment racial prejudice. To me it smacks of bad faith. Especially when it ends with "I am buying a gun". You, a member of a relatively privileged class, threatening fatal violence against the untouchable caste? That willingness to violence to defend your Whiteness is what protects Whiteness from YOU.
    - babesh 6y ago
      First you presumed that I gentrified those neighborhoods when I did not. Now you fail to address the logic of my point about your contradictory views. Then you shift the goalpost from tech to all powers. Then you presume that I ignore systemic prejudice. Lastly your argument relies on the religion that everything is due to systemic prejudice. If you were to look at actual facts, the picture is far more complex than your Disneyland view of the world. Go look at achievement rates or ethnic groups by generation from immigration. Go look at who from those ethnic groups immigrated. Go look at education levels of Nigerian-Americans. Go look at effects of poverty and cycles of poverty and how discrimination drove poverty. Go look at the rapidly increasing income of Latinos. Your argument is strongly reminiscent of the political Disneyland as described in https://waitbutwhy.com/2019/12/political-disney-world.html https://waitbutwhy.com/2019/12/political-disney-world.html. Everybody is either all good or all bad. Things are binary. Good bye. Feel free to live in your own Disneyland.
      - rexpop 6y ago
        What do you hope to gain by denigrating my position as lacking "actual facts"? I don't see you having brought much to the table. This is the end of the discussion, for you? You simply call me delusional and walk away? We have to live on this planet, you know. I suppose the only difference between the two of us is that you're buying a gun with the explicit purpose of killing Black people.

by babesh 6y ago

rexpop 6y ago

> definitely some abuse What abuse? I am not talking about abuse, I am talking about its proper use in the normal course of events, which I consider deleterious to the global economic health: specifically the introduction of anti-union, anti-local workers to technology industry. And I am uninterested in "white collar jobs besides tech". The tech industry is "eating the world" as Marc Andreessen put it. All meaningful political the power is in the hands of technology industrialists, so it matters who is represented in the technology industry.

babesh 6y ago
Your two opinions contradict each other. On the one hand, you say you are for illegal immigration but on the other you are against the H1-B program. Those anti union, anti local workers as you call them are coming in via illegal immigration if you get your way. There are many powers besides tech: Wall Street, government, education, medical, military industrial complex, intelligence services, law, media, energy, etc... As tech gets bigger, it appears to be splitting into coalitions based on self interest as well.
- rexpop 6y ago
  > anti union, anti local workers as you call them are coming in via illegal immigration No they're not. What makes you think that? I have worked in the tech industry all my adult life, and worked closely with countless H1-B holders and they have all, as a rule, been egregiously anti workers-rights, elitist, chauvinistic, misogynistic, and racist; with _few_ exceptions. I see no reason to assume the same of a different group. As for these "many powers", they are all nodes of the same industrial tree, and across that tree we see poor representation of Black, Latino, Dalit, and Indigenous leadership and disproportionately representation from White, Han Chinese, and Brahmin communities (although there are obviously still significant prejudicial barriers before Indian workers of all stripes). None of the sectors you mentioned are free from systemic racial prejudice. It irritates me to no end when Model Minorities complain of racial prejudice while deliberately ignoring the systemic factors which foment racial prejudice. To me it smacks of bad faith. Especially when it ends with "I am buying a gun". You, a member of a relatively privileged class, threatening fatal violence against the untouchable caste? That willingness to violence to defend your Whiteness is what protects Whiteness from YOU.
  - babesh 6y ago
    First you presumed that I gentrified those neighborhoods when I did not. Now you fail to address the logic of my point about your contradictory views. Then you shift the goalpost from tech to all powers. Then you presume that I ignore systemic prejudice. Lastly your argument relies on the religion that everything is due to systemic prejudice. If you were to look at actual facts, the picture is far more complex than your Disneyland view of the world. Go look at achievement rates or ethnic groups by generation from immigration. Go look at who from those ethnic groups immigrated. Go look at education levels of Nigerian-Americans. Go look at effects of poverty and cycles of poverty and how discrimination drove poverty. Go look at the rapidly increasing income of Latinos. Your argument is strongly reminiscent of the political Disneyland as described in https://waitbutwhy.com/2019/12/political-disney-world.html https://waitbutwhy.com/2019/12/political-disney-world.html. Everybody is either all good or all bad. Things are binary. Good bye. Feel free to live in your own Disneyland.
    - rexpop 6y ago
      What do you hope to gain by denigrating my position as lacking "actual facts"? I don't see you having brought much to the table. This is the end of the discussion, for you? You simply call me delusional and walk away? We have to live on this planet, you know. I suppose the only difference between the two of us is that you're buying a gun with the explicit purpose of killing Black people.