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What are the chances Flutter ends up in the google dumpster?

by fartcannon 6y ago

ddtaylor 6y ago
Canonical has their own dumpster too! Probably the biggest pieces in it are Ubuntu One and Unity.
- G4E 6y ago
  And Mir, and Ubuntu Edge and....
- johnisgood 6y ago
  Hopefully Snap will get into the dumpster, too.
sofixa 6y ago
Slightly lower than the chances Go does.
- saurik 6y ago
  Wait, you think Flutter is safer than Go?
- flashgordon 6y ago
  Really? Id love to the rationale more (seriously not being sarcastic).
  - curryst 6y ago
    Not OP, but one rationale would be that there are replacements for Go. Flutter seems to exist in a space where there aren't a ton of solutions, since I don't think react-native works on desktops (yet? Unless that's changed). If you kill Go, you can use Python or C++ or Java or etc. It might not have the exact paradigm you want, but it'll work. I don't think it's a great justification, though. You could probably add Electron support to react-native for fewer engineer hours than it takes to build and maintain Flutter.
- rychco 6y ago
  What makes you think this?
ppeetteerr 6y ago
Very high
remir 6y ago
Flutter seems to gain momentum and developpers seems to love it. As it matures, I could see it replacing Electron for desktop apps eventually.
- rychco 6y ago
  Related to this, has anyone compared the performance of flutter desktop apps to electron apps? I’m not experienced in flutter/dart, but would love to see an accessible & performant alternative to electron on the desktop.
  - tracker1 6y ago
    Likely depends on the app specifics... but likely a bit lighter on resources for dart/flutter over electron. That said, VS Code absolutely shows what can be done in an Electron based app that works well and is very responsive for it's breadth.
    - remir 6y ago
      Sadly, Microsoft Teams is also an Electron app and boy is it sluggish. Microsoft doesn't seem to be able to optimize it past a certain point.
- ppeetteerr 6y ago
  Google trends disagrees: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=flutter https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge... hehe ;)
  - anton96 6y ago
    If I can compare to react-native,flutter seems higher. Electron which is used widely used is the least search term. Interesting enough, react-native and electron distinguish themselves in the Est coast and always miss the Wyoming or the Dakota's while flutter is more evenly distributed. Which would mean that the higher flutter level might just be google cannot distinguish between the common name and the framwork.Yet the flutter trend is growing so it's certainly the framework or climate change side effect :D . https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=flutter,%2Fg%2F11h03gfxy9,%2Fg%2F11bw_559wr https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge...
timsneath 6y ago
[Disclosure: I work on the team] With well over 100,000 apps in the Play Store alone, from companies like Grab, eBay, Alibaba and Betterment; as well as copious usage by Google's own apps like Google Pay and integration into the Home Hub, this is a pretty low risk even if you have a skeptical eye at Google's track record. It's more than paying for itself in reduced costs internally, even without any regard to its external value to Google.

What are the chances Flutter ends up in the google dumpster?

ddtaylor 6y ago

Canonical has their own dumpster too! Probably the biggest pieces in it are Ubuntu One and Unity.

G4E 6y ago
And Mir, and Ubuntu Edge and....
johnisgood 6y ago
Hopefully Snap will get into the dumpster, too.

sofixa 6y ago

Slightly lower than the chances Go does.

saurik 6y ago
Wait, you think Flutter is safer than Go?
flashgordon 6y ago
Really? Id love to the rationale more (seriously not being sarcastic).
- curryst 6y ago
  Not OP, but one rationale would be that there are replacements for Go. Flutter seems to exist in a space where there aren't a ton of solutions, since I don't think react-native works on desktops (yet? Unless that's changed). If you kill Go, you can use Python or C++ or Java or etc. It might not have the exact paradigm you want, but it'll work. I don't think it's a great justification, though. You could probably add Electron support to react-native for fewer engineer hours than it takes to build and maintain Flutter.
rychco 6y ago
What makes you think this?

ppeetteerr 6y ago

Very high

remir 6y ago

Flutter seems to gain momentum and developpers seems to love it. As it matures, I could see it replacing Electron for desktop apps eventually.

rychco 6y ago
Related to this, has anyone compared the performance of flutter desktop apps to electron apps? I’m not experienced in flutter/dart, but would love to see an accessible & performant alternative to electron on the desktop.
- tracker1 6y ago
  Likely depends on the app specifics... but likely a bit lighter on resources for dart/flutter over electron. That said, VS Code absolutely shows what can be done in an Electron based app that works well and is very responsive for it's breadth.
  - remir 6y ago
    Sadly, Microsoft Teams is also an Electron app and boy is it sluggish. Microsoft doesn't seem to be able to optimize it past a certain point.
ppeetteerr 6y ago
Google trends disagrees: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=flutter https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge... hehe ;)
- anton96 6y ago
  If I can compare to react-native,flutter seems higher. Electron which is used widely used is the least search term. Interesting enough, react-native and electron distinguish themselves in the Est coast and always miss the Wyoming or the Dakota's while flutter is more evenly distributed. Which would mean that the higher flutter level might just be google cannot distinguish between the common name and the framwork.Yet the flutter trend is growing so it's certainly the framework or climate change side effect :D . https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=flutter,%2Fg%2F11h03gfxy9,%2Fg%2F11bw_559wr https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge...

timsneath 6y ago

[Disclosure: I work on the team] With well over 100,000 apps in the Play Store alone, from companies like Grab, eBay, Alibaba and Betterment; as well as copious usage by Google's own apps like Google Pay and integration into the Home Hub, this is a pretty low risk even if you have a skeptical eye at Google's track record. It's more than paying for itself in reduced costs internally, even without any regard to its external value to Google.