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I've just come back to standard web architecture these days. Just use Rails, Laravel, or Phoenix. While your compatriots will still be configuring their prettie

I've just come back to standard web architecture these days. Just use Rails, Laravel, or Phoenix. While your compatriots will still be configuring their prettierrc and eslint, you'll have released your first set of features.

bluefirebrand 6y ago
Yeah. It's fine for personal projects or small things but good luck convincing a big company that what they really need is 2009 technology nowadays.
- tonyedgecombe 6y ago
  Well they are relying on 1995 technology (JavaScript).
  - veidelis 6y ago
    This is a weird statement. You are completely ignoring how the JS API in browsers has evolved.
    - AlchemistCamp 6y ago
      And the parent was calling Phoenix and Laravel, neither of which even existed in 2009, 2009 technology.
      - bluefirebrand 6y ago
        Was referring to rails, but sure. And yes, I was wrong, rails has been around longer than that, it was just a guess.
        AlchemistCamp 6y ago
        It's still called Rails but it's a radically different framework now. 2009 was before the big merge with Merb (a then competing framework).
arvinsim 6y ago
Is Phoenix really that mainstream now?
- AlchemistCamp 6y ago
  The person you're answering said nothing about Phoenix being mainstream, but it's mainstream enough for Discord and Brex to build unicorns on its back. The reason I've been teaching it myself, despite Elixir being a young, niche language is that I believe it's an ideal choice for a solo-founder or small team trying to build an ambitious web app. It's a tool I personally want to have at my disposal. Discord is a great model: start with a simple Phoenix app, ship way faster than the competition, build out more sophisticated infrastructure with scale, and then finally rewrite core loops as NIFs (natively invoked functions) that are implemented in Rust. They were in a crowded market with extremely well-funded competitors and they still built a considerable lead in product and infrastructure.
  - arvinsim 6y ago
    Right. I did hear that Elixir and Phoenix works really well for concurrency

bluefirebrand 6y ago

Yeah. It's fine for personal projects or small things but good luck convincing a big company that what they really need is 2009 technology nowadays.

tonyedgecombe 6y ago
Well they are relying on 1995 technology (JavaScript).
- veidelis 6y ago
  This is a weird statement. You are completely ignoring how the JS API in browsers has evolved.
  - AlchemistCamp 6y ago
    And the parent was calling Phoenix and Laravel, neither of which even existed in 2009, 2009 technology.
    - bluefirebrand 6y ago
      Was referring to rails, but sure. And yes, I was wrong, rails has been around longer than that, it was just a guess.
      - AlchemistCamp 6y ago
        It's still called Rails but it's a radically different framework now. 2009 was before the big merge with Merb (a then competing framework).

arvinsim 6y ago

Is Phoenix really that mainstream now?

AlchemistCamp 6y ago
The person you're answering said nothing about Phoenix being mainstream, but it's mainstream enough for Discord and Brex to build unicorns on its back. The reason I've been teaching it myself, despite Elixir being a young, niche language is that I believe it's an ideal choice for a solo-founder or small team trying to build an ambitious web app. It's a tool I personally want to have at my disposal. Discord is a great model: start with a simple Phoenix app, ship way faster than the competition, build out more sophisticated infrastructure with scale, and then finally rewrite core loops as NIFs (natively invoked functions) that are implemented in Rust. They were in a crowded market with extremely well-funded competitors and they still built a considerable lead in product and infrastructure.
- arvinsim 6y ago
  Right. I did hear that Elixir and Phoenix works really well for concurrency