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I saw this when it was doing the rounds as a meme a while back and wasn't convinced then - it seems very improbable that people could sleep like that. AFP claim

by agurk 6y ago

I saw this when it was doing the rounds as a meme a while back and wasn't convinced then - it seems very improbable that people could sleep like that. AFP claims that this is false [0] and interestingly they link to a copy of the original photo [1] which is captioned as actors for the film the great train robbery (although it confusingly talks about it being a re-enactment). The only sources given for this in the original article are two from literature - and if you read them they're not actually describing what the article claims. Wikipedia of course mentions it, but the source is this very article. This was added on the 2nd November 2020. [0] https://factcheck.afp.com/false-claim-circulates-online-hangover-term-derived-historic-practice-sleeping-rope https://factcheck.afp.com/false-claim-circulates-online-hang... [1] https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/dublin-ireland-original-caption-reads-theyre-really-hung-news-photo/517359152#/131979dublin-irelandoriginal-caption-reads-theyre-really-hung-over-picture-id517359152 https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/dublin-irela...

zelos 6y ago
The article also claims Pickwick Papers was published in 1936 and refers to the "Great Exposition", which I'm pretty sure is the "Great Exhibition"
- jon-wood 6y ago
  I dunno, have you ever read a Dickin's novel? "Great Exposition" sounds about right to me.
satya71 6y ago
I like the big X on the debunked picture on AFP. Often just repeating the lie if only debunk, makes the lie stick even more. Hope the big X takes care of that.
Morizero 6y ago
I found it suspicious when I read the part about cutting the rope. Hard to imagine that being cost effective in such poverty.
- dmurray 6y ago
  Dickens' version has them just "letting go" of the rope at one end, which is much more believable. In real life, rich or poor, people don't cut good rope.
  - hprotagonist 6y ago
    splicing is fun and all, but it's a real time-sink.
LocalH 6y ago
I don't think they're saying that the practice of sleeping on ropes wasn't a thing, but that it has no connection to the etymology of the word "hangover". In fact, the original article even says as much: > The term hangover is unlikely to have come specifically from this practice, it more likely refers to the lasting after effects of alcohol felt the next day. However the two-penny hangovers remained a grim reality of Victorian England regardless of the tenuous link to the etymology of alcohol. Particularly as ‘two-penny hangovers’ have also been mentioned in Paris, and the French for ‘hangover’ is ‘gueule de bois’ which is literally ‘mouth of wood’ so nothing to do with ‘hanging over’ at all. But a fairly accurate description of how your mouth feels after a night drinking gin!
- agurk 6y ago
  I did some more research into this yesterday, and still am not convinced that people sleeping over a rope was a thing. There are a large number of sites repeating the exact same story / wording - complete with the rope cutting and often with the photo from a film I mentioned in my previous post. This has the feeling of an urban legend about it. There is one other photo that pops up [0] is variously captioned as being in the US or in Germany in the 1930s. At most this picture shows people sitting down, leaning against a rope - not hanging over it. This is akin to what George Orwell described (someone describing to him) - not people hanging over a rope. The other quote occasionally given in reference to it is from Dickens, which if you read it describes a hammock type system. I cannot find any other sources, but there is a lot of noise (including wikipedia edits) from last year when it was doing the rounds. I found this forum discussing it in 2008 [1] where one person claimed to try sleeping over a rope and found it impossible to do so. [0] https://forum.casebook.org/filedata/fetch?id=656729&d=1239159863 https://forum.casebook.org/filedata/fetch?id=656729&d=123915... [1] https://forum.casebook.org/forum/ripper-discussions/scene-of-the-crimes/2605-the-twopenny-hangover-sleeping-over-a-rope https://forum.casebook.org/forum/ripper-discussions/scene-of...

by agurk 6y ago

zelos 6y ago

The article also claims Pickwick Papers was published in 1936 and refers to the "Great Exposition", which I'm pretty sure is the "Great Exhibition"

jon-wood 6y ago
I dunno, have you ever read a Dickin's novel? "Great Exposition" sounds about right to me.

satya71 6y ago

I like the big X on the debunked picture on AFP. Often just repeating the lie if only debunk, makes the lie stick even more. Hope the big X takes care of that.

Morizero 6y ago

I found it suspicious when I read the part about cutting the rope. Hard to imagine that being cost effective in such poverty.

dmurray 6y ago
Dickens' version has them just "letting go" of the rope at one end, which is much more believable. In real life, rich or poor, people don't cut good rope.
- hprotagonist 6y ago
  splicing is fun and all, but it's a real time-sink.

LocalH 6y ago

I don't think they're saying that the practice of sleeping on ropes wasn't a thing, but that it has no connection to the etymology of the word "hangover". In fact, the original article even says as much: > The term hangover is unlikely to have come specifically from this practice, it more likely refers to the lasting after effects of alcohol felt the next day. However the two-penny hangovers remained a grim reality of Victorian England regardless of the tenuous link to the etymology of alcohol. Particularly as ‘two-penny hangovers’ have also been mentioned in Paris, and the French for ‘hangover’ is ‘gueule de bois’ which is literally ‘mouth of wood’ so nothing to do with ‘hanging over’ at all. But a fairly accurate description of how your mouth feels after a night drinking gin!

agurk 6y ago
I did some more research into this yesterday, and still am not convinced that people sleeping over a rope was a thing. There are a large number of sites repeating the exact same story / wording - complete with the rope cutting and often with the photo from a film I mentioned in my previous post. This has the feeling of an urban legend about it. There is one other photo that pops up [0] is variously captioned as being in the US or in Germany in the 1930s. At most this picture shows people sitting down, leaning against a rope - not hanging over it. This is akin to what George Orwell described (someone describing to him) - not people hanging over a rope. The other quote occasionally given in reference to it is from Dickens, which if you read it describes a hammock type system. I cannot find any other sources, but there is a lot of noise (including wikipedia edits) from last year when it was doing the rounds. I found this forum discussing it in 2008 [1] where one person claimed to try sleeping over a rope and found it impossible to do so. [0] https://forum.casebook.org/filedata/fetch?id=656729&d=1239159863 https://forum.casebook.org/filedata/fetch?id=656729&d=123915... [1] https://forum.casebook.org/forum/ripper-discussions/scene-of-the-crimes/2605-the-twopenny-hangover-sleeping-over-a-rope https://forum.casebook.org/forum/ripper-discussions/scene-of...