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Rise in Attacks on Elderly Asian Americans in Bay Area

69 points by chovybizzass 6y ago

andyxor 6y ago
The DA, Chesa Boudin, put arrested criminals back on the streets with ultra-lenient policy, and this is the result https://abc7news.com/car-crash-san-francisco-lake-merced-state-university-deadly-accident/10315676/ https://abc7news.com/car-crash-san-francisco-lake-merced-sta... https://www.ktvu.com/news/family-of-84-year-old-killed-in-sf-believe-attack-was-racially-motivated https://www.ktvu.com/news/family-of-84-year-old-killed-in-sf... https://abc7news.com/shocking-video-shows-man-pushed-to-ground-in-oaklands-chinatown/10311111/ https://abc7news.com/shocking-video-shows-man-pushed-to-grou... https://www.change.org/p/sfda-chesa-boudin-refused-to-resign-will-now-face-recall https://www.change.org/p/sfda-chesa-boudin-refused-to-resign... https://www.recallchesa.org/ https://www.recallchesa.org/
- aaomidi 6y ago
  Can you give any causative evidence to this rather than correlational evidence?
  - gnicholas 6y ago
    The first link describes a person who was previously arrested Dec 20, 2020 for driving a stolen vehicle, DUI, and driving without a license. Just a few weeks later, the person was out and about, stealing other cars and hurting/killing people. This is about as causal as evidence can get that the lenient policies are resulting in bad outcomes.
    - jhowell 6y ago
      Lenient policies around supporting people or incarcerating people?
    - aaomidi 6y ago
      A single incident isn't causative evidence. A random trend without at least attempting to isolate other variables isn't causative evidence.
      - gnicholas 6y ago
        In your above post, which I was replying to, you asked for "any causative evidence". I was pointing out that the OP did provide evidence that creates an undeniable causal link between the lenient policies and a subsequent crime in which someone was killed. This doesn't prove that all, or even most, of the crime in SF is caused by the DA's policies. But it clearly establishes that some of the crime is causally linked to the policies, and this is what troubles SF residents.
    - lumberingjack 6y ago
      I was in that clown Court few years back. Woman had done hard drugs had her kids in the backseat of the car sideswiped cars on a Street while OVI $150,000 worth of damage. Judge States she's a mom and can't be punished let's her go with some sort of addiction class. Says she'll have to be back in court to figure out reparations.
- bruceb 6y ago
  I don't have an opinion on Chea Boudin, but I have yet to see an detailed article that compares SF and other major cities crime rate in the past year . Crime is up nationally. Maybe there is one but generally its like here this crime, must be Boudin's fault, without real analysis.
- im3w1l 6y ago
  Recently I've started thinking that some people have this unconsious uncomfortable feeling with the current society and how domesticated or perhaps over-socialized people have become, and that the solution they are reaching for without realizing it is to invert the common mantra into "crime should pay".
rajma 6y ago
Every race is prone to racism
esalman 6y ago
At least one researcher in our lab is heading back to China citing rising hostility towards them as the reason. This is really sad.
superflit 6y ago
This is an absurd. [1] - https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Black-attacks-on-Asians-racism-or-opportunity-3265893.php https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Black-attacks-on-Asians-... It is not about covid. Sometimes people Do belong in prison, not all people can live free.
- MikeUt 6y ago
  Perhaps the US needs something like the German Pressekodex to regulate how minorities are mentioned in the news. Auto-translated from German: Directive 12.1 – Reporting on criminal offences In the reporting of criminal offences, care must be taken to ensure that the mention of the affiliation of suspects or perpetrators to ethnic, religious or other minorities does not lead to a discriminatory generalisation of individual misconduct. As a rule, affiliation should not be mentioned, unless there is a well-founded public interest. It should be noted in particular that the mention could fuel prejudice against minorities. https://www.presserat.de/files/presserat/dokumente/pressekodex/Pressekodex_Leitsaetze_RL12.1.pdf https://www.presserat.de/files/presserat/dokumente/pressekod...
  - pseudo0 6y ago
    Ignoring a societal problem and mandating that the press boycott reporting on it sounds like a very ineffective strategy for actually improving the situation.
  - superflit 6y ago
    Look I do get it your good intentions. But it will just make more problems. If the reality hurt my feelings or others it is not reality that should be bent. We need to be able to say and call it: "HeY xxx group we have a problem, a long standing problem. We need to change our culture and start shaming people who does X or Z. We can't Protect anyone just because they are "our" tribe. Neither we can blame it for things done by other tribes centuries ago." While we don't talk serious and frank we will be always around the issue. Every ten years we will have some new term to avoid this discussion. I am a minority and my "group" was know for "scams" and troubles. It got so bad people like me avoided to speak our native language. The community started to exclude the bad apples. And suddenly the bad apples did not have more "contacts" or networks and started to "adjust" or go back to our country. We need to pursue and be able to say the truth. And we need to shame this bad behavior. As *today* one friend of mine did a instagram video saying that she is not Afro-american. That she is Haitian. That is an indirect call. We non-whites already shame ourselves, the others and the people back home. I need the good Afro-americans leaders and celebreties to shame the bad apples and not only appear when it is to blame white people.
bruceb 6y ago
At the risk of kicking a hornets nest...keep in mind that in SF 1 in every 3 people is Asian. Anything with race CNN will automatically push it.
- pertymcpert 6y ago
  It's not CNN, CNN are late to the party. This has been going on for a while, and the asian "community" has been talking about this before mainstream media picked it up. So there.
  - bredren 6y ago
    The /r/Oakland sub has been tracking it to some extent, some of the video is heartbreaking.
    - pertymcpert 6y ago
      That subreddit is censoring all posts about this issue.
cppjim 6y ago
I moved back to Texas from California because of the racism against Asians that I experienced in the Bay Area. Texas is obviously not without its racism problems, but I think it's a lot easier to Asian American here.
- gnicholas 6y ago
  Can I ask where you lived in the Bay Area, and what types of racism you experienced or witnessed? Was it in work environments or just out on the street?
  - cppjim 6y ago
    I lived in in SF (Soma) and the East Bay (Livermore and Pleasanton). Both places were bad. My white coworkers and neighbors would say bad things about Vietnamese and Chinese people. My wife and I were verbally harassed by random people on the streets of SF. It wasn't a daily thing, but it was enough to make us leave and never want to go back.
- antonvs 6y ago
  A friend of mine married an Asian women. They ended up moving to Westchester, outside of NYC, to escape racism where they were. This was pre-COVID though.
alephnan 6y ago
I've found the model-minority myth to be toxic in so many ways. Here's one thing I can attest to personally: we're not all East Asians. I grew up in section-8 housing, then moved next to a meth house raided by the FBI, attended vocational schools in the inner city where I had friends killed and imprisoned, personally had a gun pointed at me, twice, slept on a sofa my entire childhood, in a dysfunctional bankrupt abusive family. I'm also a first-generation immigrant and political refugee, with my dad having spent half a decade in a hard-labor camp, my mom homeless and nurturing my brother with only rice water, who has since died of a rare digestive cancer, and our assets decapitalized by communists multiple times. Eventually, I ended up at Google and for all the talks of diversity, inclusion and "unconscious bias", people from my background are left out of the conversation. I've found the worst perpetrators of the Unconscious Bias to be Asian-Americans. It's hard believing we can be stewards of "we are not our users" when we can barely understand we are not our colleagues, who aren't all from privileged middle class backgrounds who had their parents pay for SAT prep classes. It's really ironic because these people tend to be the loudest about calling out privilege. Last month, I left behind the high-flying salaries and moved to Japan. The quality of life here is so much higher, even though my income is 1/4th as much. Practically everyone wears a mask and there's just a higher level of regard for society at large. Basket-of-goods analysis don't account for being triggered by people refusing to wear masks in New York. Mind you, I've spent 90% of my life in the states and have considered myself American, first and foremost. 2020 really made me reassess my identity as an Asian-American and the place of Asian-Americans in America. Without going further into the hypocrisy of politics, Asians are just a politically inconvenient truth. What is happening in the Bay Area is happening in New York, where I lived, too. 90% of my friends have experienced harassment passively, aggressively, and in a few instances violently. There was the 89 year old woman set on fire [1]. Then there was the woman who had acid thrown on her [2]. NYC governance threw together a hate-crime Task force, but I'm cynical it has accomplished anything other than trying to fundraise. Bill De Blasio has literally turned his back on Asian business owners after showing up for the photo op [3]. People barely realize the poverty rate of Asian-Americans in New York City hover around 25% [4]. [1] https://abc7ny.com/woman-set-on-fire-elderly-attack-89-year-old-attacked-bensonhurst-crime/6333749/ https://abc7ny.com/woman-set-on-fire-elderly-attack-89-year-... [2] https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/brooklyn-woman-burned-outside-home-in-possible-acid-attack/ https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/brooklyn-woman-burned-outside-... [3] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bill-de-blasio-bakery-manager-new-york-nyc-coronavirus-video-a9671141.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bill-de-bl... [4] https://www1.nyc.gov/site/opportunity/news/004/some-good-news-asian-american-poverty-new-york-city https://www1.nyc.gov/site/opportunity/news/004/some-good-new...
strangeattractr 6y ago
Why did this get flagged? Seems like a legitimate topic of discussion.
- superflit 6y ago
  because it failed the target narrative. If the article/narrative is not successful it is flagged. I did a combo breaker in time.
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HonestOp001 6y ago
What a fun article of where we are. No names are provided in the article of perpetrators, so those in the know know the race that shall not be named, example is the rail line actively saying they will do this. An existing issue already exists between the race that shall not be named and Asian-Americans, see Jesse Jackson in New York or LA riots. Then me having to explain to Asian American colleague why their other Asian American colleagues will not walk in certain neighborhoods for fear of being attacked by race that shall not be named. Then the article pins this new found increase in attacks (which have been a problem for this entire time, but now and only now because it fits the narrative) on a term used to pin this on the Chinese who actively sought to suppress the news of its spread. The Chinese government is actively involved with media blitzes to try and move the blame away from their ineptitude. So, an existing problem is pinned to an imaginary issue to obfuscate a country screwing up. How do the CNN reporters look themselves in the mirror you may ask, because they repeat the journalist mantra: for the greater good, no matter the lies.

69 points by chovybizzass 6y ago

The DA, Chesa Boudin, put arrested criminals back on the streets with ultra-lenient policy, and this is the result https://abc7news.com/car-crash-san-francisco-lake-merced-state-university-deadly-accident/10315676/ https://abc7news.com/car-crash-san-francisco-lake-merced-sta... https://www.ktvu.com/news/family-of-84-year-old-killed-in-sf-believe-attack-was-racially-motivated https://www.ktvu.com/news/family-of-84-year-old-killed-in-sf... https://abc7news.com/shocking-video-shows-man-pushed-to-ground-in-oaklands-chinatown/10311111/ https://abc7news.com/shocking-video-shows-man-pushed-to-grou... https://www.change.org/p/sfda-chesa-boudin-refused-to-resign-will-now-face-recall https://www.change.org/p/sfda-chesa-boudin-refused-to-resign... https://www.recallchesa.org/ https://www.recallchesa.org/

aaomidi 6y ago
Can you give any causative evidence to this rather than correlational evidence?
- gnicholas 6y ago
  The first link describes a person who was previously arrested Dec 20, 2020 for driving a stolen vehicle, DUI, and driving without a license. Just a few weeks later, the person was out and about, stealing other cars and hurting/killing people. This is about as causal as evidence can get that the lenient policies are resulting in bad outcomes.
  - jhowell 6y ago
    Lenient policies around supporting people or incarcerating people?
  - aaomidi 6y ago
    A single incident isn't causative evidence. A random trend without at least attempting to isolate other variables isn't causative evidence.
    - gnicholas 6y ago
      In your above post, which I was replying to, you asked for "any causative evidence". I was pointing out that the OP did provide evidence that creates an undeniable causal link between the lenient policies and a subsequent crime in which someone was killed. This doesn't prove that all, or even most, of the crime in SF is caused by the DA's policies. But it clearly establishes that some of the crime is causally linked to the policies, and this is what troubles SF residents.
  - lumberingjack 6y ago
    I was in that clown Court few years back. Woman had done hard drugs had her kids in the backseat of the car sideswiped cars on a Street while OVI $150,000 worth of damage. Judge States she's a mom and can't be punished let's her go with some sort of addiction class. Says she'll have to be back in court to figure out reparations.
bruceb 6y ago
I don't have an opinion on Chea Boudin, but I have yet to see an detailed article that compares SF and other major cities crime rate in the past year . Crime is up nationally. Maybe there is one but generally its like here this crime, must be Boudin's fault, without real analysis.
im3w1l 6y ago
Recently I've started thinking that some people have this unconsious uncomfortable feeling with the current society and how domesticated or perhaps over-socialized people have become, and that the solution they are reaching for without realizing it is to invert the common mantra into "crime should pay".

rajma 6y ago

Every race is prone to racism

esalman 6y ago

At least one researcher in our lab is heading back to China citing rising hostility towards them as the reason. This is really sad.

superflit 6y ago

This is an absurd. [1] - https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Black-attacks-on-Asians-racism-or-opportunity-3265893.php https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Black-attacks-on-Asians-... It is not about covid. Sometimes people Do belong in prison, not all people can live free.

MikeUt 6y ago
Perhaps the US needs something like the German Pressekodex to regulate how minorities are mentioned in the news. Auto-translated from German: Directive 12.1 – Reporting on criminal offences In the reporting of criminal offences, care must be taken to ensure that the mention of the affiliation of suspects or perpetrators to ethnic, religious or other minorities does not lead to a discriminatory generalisation of individual misconduct. As a rule, affiliation should not be mentioned, unless there is a well-founded public interest. It should be noted in particular that the mention could fuel prejudice against minorities. https://www.presserat.de/files/presserat/dokumente/pressekodex/Pressekodex_Leitsaetze_RL12.1.pdf https://www.presserat.de/files/presserat/dokumente/pressekod...
- pseudo0 6y ago
  Ignoring a societal problem and mandating that the press boycott reporting on it sounds like a very ineffective strategy for actually improving the situation.
- superflit 6y ago
  Look I do get it your good intentions. But it will just make more problems. If the reality hurt my feelings or others it is not reality that should be bent. We need to be able to say and call it: "HeY xxx group we have a problem, a long standing problem. We need to change our culture and start shaming people who does X or Z. We can't Protect anyone just because they are "our" tribe. Neither we can blame it for things done by other tribes centuries ago." While we don't talk serious and frank we will be always around the issue. Every ten years we will have some new term to avoid this discussion. I am a minority and my "group" was know for "scams" and troubles. It got so bad people like me avoided to speak our native language. The community started to exclude the bad apples. And suddenly the bad apples did not have more "contacts" or networks and started to "adjust" or go back to our country. We need to pursue and be able to say the truth. And we need to shame this bad behavior. As *today* one friend of mine did a instagram video saying that she is not Afro-american. That she is Haitian. That is an indirect call. We non-whites already shame ourselves, the others and the people back home. I need the good Afro-americans leaders and celebreties to shame the bad apples and not only appear when it is to blame white people.

bruceb 6y ago

At the risk of kicking a hornets nest...keep in mind that in SF 1 in every 3 people is Asian. Anything with race CNN will automatically push it.

pertymcpert 6y ago
It's not CNN, CNN are late to the party. This has been going on for a while, and the asian "community" has been talking about this before mainstream media picked it up. So there.
- bredren 6y ago
  The /r/Oakland sub has been tracking it to some extent, some of the video is heartbreaking.
  - pertymcpert 6y ago
    That subreddit is censoring all posts about this issue.

cppjim 6y ago

I moved back to Texas from California because of the racism against Asians that I experienced in the Bay Area. Texas is obviously not without its racism problems, but I think it's a lot easier to Asian American here.

gnicholas 6y ago
Can I ask where you lived in the Bay Area, and what types of racism you experienced or witnessed? Was it in work environments or just out on the street?
- cppjim 6y ago
  I lived in in SF (Soma) and the East Bay (Livermore and Pleasanton). Both places were bad. My white coworkers and neighbors would say bad things about Vietnamese and Chinese people. My wife and I were verbally harassed by random people on the streets of SF. It wasn't a daily thing, but it was enough to make us leave and never want to go back.
antonvs 6y ago
A friend of mine married an Asian women. They ended up moving to Westchester, outside of NYC, to escape racism where they were. This was pre-COVID though.

alephnan 6y ago

I've found the model-minority myth to be toxic in so many ways. Here's one thing I can attest to personally: we're not all East Asians. I grew up in section-8 housing, then moved next to a meth house raided by the FBI, attended vocational schools in the inner city where I had friends killed and imprisoned, personally had a gun pointed at me, twice, slept on a sofa my entire childhood, in a dysfunctional bankrupt abusive family. I'm also a first-generation immigrant and political refugee, with my dad having spent half a decade in a hard-labor camp, my mom homeless and nurturing my brother with only rice water, who has since died of a rare digestive cancer, and our assets decapitalized by communists multiple times. Eventually, I ended up at Google and for all the talks of diversity, inclusion and "unconscious bias", people from my background are left out of the conversation. I've found the worst perpetrators of the Unconscious Bias to be Asian-Americans. It's hard believing we can be stewards of "we are not our users" when we can barely understand we are not our colleagues, who aren't all from privileged middle class backgrounds who had their parents pay for SAT prep classes. It's really ironic because these people tend to be the loudest about calling out privilege. Last month, I left behind the high-flying salaries and moved to Japan. The quality of life here is so much higher, even though my income is 1/4th as much. Practically everyone wears a mask and there's just a higher level of regard for society at large. Basket-of-goods analysis don't account for being triggered by people refusing to wear masks in New York. Mind you, I've spent 90% of my life in the states and have considered myself American, first and foremost. 2020 really made me reassess my identity as an Asian-American and the place of Asian-Americans in America. Without going further into the hypocrisy of politics, Asians are just a politically inconvenient truth. What is happening in the Bay Area is happening in New York, where I lived, too. 90% of my friends have experienced harassment passively, aggressively, and in a few instances violently. There was the 89 year old woman set on fire [1]. Then there was the woman who had acid thrown on her [2]. NYC governance threw together a hate-crime Task force, but I'm cynical it has accomplished anything other than trying to fundraise. Bill De Blasio has literally turned his back on Asian business owners after showing up for the photo op [3]. People barely realize the poverty rate of Asian-Americans in New York City hover around 25% [4]. [1] https://abc7ny.com/woman-set-on-fire-elderly-attack-89-year-old-attacked-bensonhurst-crime/6333749/ https://abc7ny.com/woman-set-on-fire-elderly-attack-89-year-... [2] https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/brooklyn-woman-burned-outside-home-in-possible-acid-attack/ https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/brooklyn-woman-burned-outside-... [3] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bill-de-blasio-bakery-manager-new-york-nyc-coronavirus-video-a9671141.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bill-de-bl... [4] https://www1.nyc.gov/site/opportunity/news/004/some-good-news-asian-american-poverty-new-york-city https://www1.nyc.gov/site/opportunity/news/004/some-good-new...

strangeattractr 6y ago

Why did this get flagged? Seems like a legitimate topic of discussion.

superflit 6y ago
because it failed the target narrative. If the article/narrative is not successful it is flagged. I did a combo breaker in time.

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HonestOp001 6y ago

What a fun article of where we are. No names are provided in the article of perpetrators, so those in the know know the race that shall not be named, example is the rail line actively saying they will do this. An existing issue already exists between the race that shall not be named and Asian-Americans, see Jesse Jackson in New York or LA riots. Then me having to explain to Asian American colleague why their other Asian American colleagues will not walk in certain neighborhoods for fear of being attacked by race that shall not be named. Then the article pins this new found increase in attacks (which have been a problem for this entire time, but now and only now because it fits the narrative) on a term used to pin this on the Chinese who actively sought to suppress the news of its spread. The Chinese government is actively involved with media blitzes to try and move the blame away from their ineptitude. So, an existing problem is pinned to an imaginary issue to obfuscate a country screwing up. How do the CNN reporters look themselves in the mirror you may ask, because they repeat the journalist mantra: for the greater good, no matter the lies.