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There was discrimination against blacks and Latinos. There was lesser discrimination against Asians. One big difference is that some Asian cultures were big on

by babesh 6y ago

There was discrimination against blacks and Latinos. There was lesser discrimination against Asians. One big difference is that some Asian cultures were big on pooling resources and helping family. I suspect that black culture was weakened by discrimination and Latino culture is just a generation or two behind Asian cultures in terms of home ownership (there seems to be a lot of pooling in some of those cultures). Many of the poor neighborhoods that Asians moved to are now Latino neighborhoods. Some of those Latino kids growing up in those neighborhoods are now in white collar jobs. The same thing happened to the previous generation of Asian kids.

rexpop 6y ago
> Some of those Latino kids growing up in those neighborhoods are now in white collar jobs. Tech companies are hiring 100x as many H1-B Asian immigrants as they are local Latino workers.
- babesh 6y ago
  There are many white collar jobs besides tech. And there are many good paying blue collar professions. If you are against H1-B then so be it. There is definitely some abuse but there is some good too. I would say that it would be best to reform it.
  - rexpop 6y ago
    > definitely some abuse What abuse? I am not talking about abuse, I am talking about its proper use in the normal course of events, which I consider deleterious to the global economic health: specifically the introduction of anti-union, anti-local workers to technology industry. And I am uninterested in "white collar jobs besides tech". The tech industry is "eating the world" as Marc Andreessen put it. All meaningful political the power is in the hands of technology industrialists, so it matters who is represented in the technology industry.
    - babesh 6y ago
      Your two opinions contradict each other. On the one hand, you say you are for illegal immigration but on the other you are against the H1-B program. Those anti union, anti local workers as you call them are coming in via illegal immigration if you get your way. There are many powers besides tech: Wall Street, government, education, medical, military industrial complex, intelligence services, law, media, energy, etc... As tech gets bigger, it appears to be splitting into coalitions based on self interest as well.
      - rexpop 6y ago
        > anti union, anti local workers as you call them are coming in via illegal immigration No they're not. What makes you think that? I have worked in the tech industry all my adult life, and worked closely with countless H1-B holders and they have all, as a rule, been egregiously anti workers-rights, elitist, chauvinistic, misogynistic, and racist; with _few_ exceptions. I see no reason to assume the same of a different group. As for these "many powers", they are all nodes of the same industrial tree, and across that tree we see poor representation of Black, Latino, Dalit, and Indigenous leadership and disproportionately representation from White, Han Chinese, and Brahmin communities (although there are obviously still significant prejudicial barriers before Indian workers of all stripes). None of the sectors you mentioned are free from systemic racial prejudice. It irritates me to no end when Model Minorities complain of racial prejudice while deliberately ignoring the systemic factors which foment racial prejudice. To me it smacks of bad faith. Especially when it ends with "I am buying a gun". You, a member of a relatively privileged class, threatening fatal violence against the untouchable caste? That willingness to violence to defend your Whiteness is what protects Whiteness from YOU.
        babesh 6y ago
        First you presumed that I gentrified those neighborhoods when I did not. Now you fail to address the logic of my point about your contradictory views. Then you shift the goalpost from tech to all powers. Then you presume that I ignore systemic prejudice. Lastly your argument relies on the religion that everything is due to systemic prejudice. If you were to look at actual facts, the picture is far more complex than your Disneyland view of the world. Go look at achievement rates or ethnic groups by generation from immigration. Go look at who from those ethnic groups immigrated. Go look at education levels of Nigerian-Americans. Go look at effects of poverty and cycles of poverty and how discrimination drove poverty. Go look at the rapidly increasing income of Latinos. Your argument is strongly reminiscent of the political Disneyland as described in https://waitbutwhy.com/2019/12/political-disney-world.html https://waitbutwhy.com/2019/12/political-disney-world.html. Everybody is either all good or all bad. Things are binary. Good bye. Feel free to live in your own Disneyland.
babesh 6y ago
If you want to understand what makes Chinese culture tick (the good side of it), then go watch this video: https://youtu.be/16Wd5jiu5wA https://youtu.be/16Wd5jiu5wA Then maybe you will get a better understanding why some of those kids excel in school and why their parents were able to buy those houses.

by babesh 6y ago

rexpop 6y ago

> Some of those Latino kids growing up in those neighborhoods are now in white collar jobs. Tech companies are hiring 100x as many H1-B Asian immigrants as they are local Latino workers.

babesh 6y ago
There are many white collar jobs besides tech. And there are many good paying blue collar professions. If you are against H1-B then so be it. There is definitely some abuse but there is some good too. I would say that it would be best to reform it.
- rexpop 6y ago
  > definitely some abuse What abuse? I am not talking about abuse, I am talking about its proper use in the normal course of events, which I consider deleterious to the global economic health: specifically the introduction of anti-union, anti-local workers to technology industry. And I am uninterested in "white collar jobs besides tech". The tech industry is "eating the world" as Marc Andreessen put it. All meaningful political the power is in the hands of technology industrialists, so it matters who is represented in the technology industry.
  - babesh 6y ago
    Your two opinions contradict each other. On the one hand, you say you are for illegal immigration but on the other you are against the H1-B program. Those anti union, anti local workers as you call them are coming in via illegal immigration if you get your way. There are many powers besides tech: Wall Street, government, education, medical, military industrial complex, intelligence services, law, media, energy, etc... As tech gets bigger, it appears to be splitting into coalitions based on self interest as well.
    - rexpop 6y ago
      > anti union, anti local workers as you call them are coming in via illegal immigration No they're not. What makes you think that? I have worked in the tech industry all my adult life, and worked closely with countless H1-B holders and they have all, as a rule, been egregiously anti workers-rights, elitist, chauvinistic, misogynistic, and racist; with _few_ exceptions. I see no reason to assume the same of a different group. As for these "many powers", they are all nodes of the same industrial tree, and across that tree we see poor representation of Black, Latino, Dalit, and Indigenous leadership and disproportionately representation from White, Han Chinese, and Brahmin communities (although there are obviously still significant prejudicial barriers before Indian workers of all stripes). None of the sectors you mentioned are free from systemic racial prejudice. It irritates me to no end when Model Minorities complain of racial prejudice while deliberately ignoring the systemic factors which foment racial prejudice. To me it smacks of bad faith. Especially when it ends with "I am buying a gun". You, a member of a relatively privileged class, threatening fatal violence against the untouchable caste? That willingness to violence to defend your Whiteness is what protects Whiteness from YOU.
      - babesh 6y ago
        First you presumed that I gentrified those neighborhoods when I did not. Now you fail to address the logic of my point about your contradictory views. Then you shift the goalpost from tech to all powers. Then you presume that I ignore systemic prejudice. Lastly your argument relies on the religion that everything is due to systemic prejudice. If you were to look at actual facts, the picture is far more complex than your Disneyland view of the world. Go look at achievement rates or ethnic groups by generation from immigration. Go look at who from those ethnic groups immigrated. Go look at education levels of Nigerian-Americans. Go look at effects of poverty and cycles of poverty and how discrimination drove poverty. Go look at the rapidly increasing income of Latinos. Your argument is strongly reminiscent of the political Disneyland as described in https://waitbutwhy.com/2019/12/political-disney-world.html https://waitbutwhy.com/2019/12/political-disney-world.html. Everybody is either all good or all bad. Things are binary. Good bye. Feel free to live in your own Disneyland.

babesh 6y ago

If you want to understand what makes Chinese culture tick (the good side of it), then go watch this video: https://youtu.be/16Wd5jiu5wA https://youtu.be/16Wd5jiu5wA Then maybe you will get a better understanding why some of those kids excel in school and why their parents were able to buy those houses.