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You have got your facts all wrong. I never bought into those gentrifying neighborhoods. I don’t even live in those neighborhoods. I grew up in a poor historica

by babesh 6y ago

You have got your facts all wrong. I never bought into those gentrifying neighborhoods. I don’t even live in those neighborhoods. I grew up in a poor historically Chinese neighborhood. Many of the attacks are occurring historically Asian neighborhoods like that (Oakland and SF Chinatowns). What kind of gentrification are you talking about? Tech people buy into different neighborhoods from the poorer Asian immigrants. The black neighborhoods were initially gentrified by non tech working class immigrants. Think cooks, construction workers, etc who have their entire families working and who scrounge up money for a down payment. Think Hunter’s Point and the Silver District. Many of those people also fled violence in their home countries. Mine did as did a sister in law. The historically black neighborhood that is being gentrified by tech is actually Hayes Valley. That isn’t very Asian at all. Rich Asian tech isn’t moving to that neighborhood disproportionately. Rich Asian tech tends to move to suburbs and rich immigrant Asian tech moves to specific neighborhoods like Cupertino.

rexpop 6y ago
> Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods. My mistake, I took this for a confession. I'll admit I got angrier with you than I should have when you said you were "buying a gun". I took that as a threat of violence, and that is what I responded to. It's not "Asians" I should be angry with, nor even "Immigrants" since, as you say, many flee violence and persecution to come here. My ancestors certainly did. It would be hypocritical of me to now want to draw up the ladder, and for that reason I fully support illegal immigration, and asylum-seeking immigration. That being said, even being permitted to "scrounge up money for a down payment" when Black and Latino families have been kept unable to is unconscionable, in my thinking. I know several H1-B holding Asian immigrants who are, in this decade, buying up real-estate that Black & Latino locals will never be able to afford. I have friends and coworkers on both sides of this arrangement, and it's really sickening to see. Can't you understand that?
- babesh 6y ago
  It isn’t just Asian immigrants buying up real estate. It seems to be a widespread practice in tech irrespective of race.
- babesh 6y ago
  There was discrimination against blacks and Latinos. There was lesser discrimination against Asians. One big difference is that some Asian cultures were big on pooling resources and helping family. I suspect that black culture was weakened by discrimination and Latino culture is just a generation or two behind Asian cultures in terms of home ownership (there seems to be a lot of pooling in some of those cultures). Many of the poor neighborhoods that Asians moved to are now Latino neighborhoods. Some of those Latino kids growing up in those neighborhoods are now in white collar jobs. The same thing happened to the previous generation of Asian kids.
  - rexpop 6y ago
    > Some of those Latino kids growing up in those neighborhoods are now in white collar jobs. Tech companies are hiring 100x as many H1-B Asian immigrants as they are local Latino workers.
    - babesh 6y ago
      There are many white collar jobs besides tech. And there are many good paying blue collar professions. If you are against H1-B then so be it. There is definitely some abuse but there is some good too. I would say that it would be best to reform it.
      - rexpop 6y ago
        > definitely some abuse What abuse? I am not talking about abuse, I am talking about its proper use in the normal course of events, which I consider deleterious to the global economic health: specifically the introduction of anti-union, anti-local workers to technology industry. And I am uninterested in "white collar jobs besides tech". The tech industry is "eating the world" as Marc Andreessen put it. All meaningful political the power is in the hands of technology industrialists, so it matters who is represented in the technology industry.
        babesh 6y ago
        Your two opinions contradict each other. On the one hand, you say you are for illegal immigration but on the other you are against the H1-B program. Those anti union, anti local workers as you call them are coming in via illegal immigration if you get your way. There are many powers besides tech: Wall Street, government, education, medical, military industrial complex, intelligence services, law, media, energy, etc... As tech gets bigger, it appears to be splitting into coalitions based on self interest as well.

by babesh 6y ago

rexpop 6y ago

> Chinese immigrants are often the ones first moving into and then buying out people in black neighborhoods. My mistake, I took this for a confession. I'll admit I got angrier with you than I should have when you said you were "buying a gun". I took that as a threat of violence, and that is what I responded to. It's not "Asians" I should be angry with, nor even "Immigrants" since, as you say, many flee violence and persecution to come here. My ancestors certainly did. It would be hypocritical of me to now want to draw up the ladder, and for that reason I fully support illegal immigration, and asylum-seeking immigration. That being said, even being permitted to "scrounge up money for a down payment" when Black and Latino families have been kept unable to is unconscionable, in my thinking. I know several H1-B holding Asian immigrants who are, in this decade, buying up real-estate that Black & Latino locals will never be able to afford. I have friends and coworkers on both sides of this arrangement, and it's really sickening to see. Can't you understand that?

babesh 6y ago
It isn’t just Asian immigrants buying up real estate. It seems to be a widespread practice in tech irrespective of race.
babesh 6y ago
There was discrimination against blacks and Latinos. There was lesser discrimination against Asians. One big difference is that some Asian cultures were big on pooling resources and helping family. I suspect that black culture was weakened by discrimination and Latino culture is just a generation or two behind Asian cultures in terms of home ownership (there seems to be a lot of pooling in some of those cultures). Many of the poor neighborhoods that Asians moved to are now Latino neighborhoods. Some of those Latino kids growing up in those neighborhoods are now in white collar jobs. The same thing happened to the previous generation of Asian kids.
- rexpop 6y ago
  > Some of those Latino kids growing up in those neighborhoods are now in white collar jobs. Tech companies are hiring 100x as many H1-B Asian immigrants as they are local Latino workers.
  - babesh 6y ago
    There are many white collar jobs besides tech. And there are many good paying blue collar professions. If you are against H1-B then so be it. There is definitely some abuse but there is some good too. I would say that it would be best to reform it.
    - rexpop 6y ago
      > definitely some abuse What abuse? I am not talking about abuse, I am talking about its proper use in the normal course of events, which I consider deleterious to the global economic health: specifically the introduction of anti-union, anti-local workers to technology industry. And I am uninterested in "white collar jobs besides tech". The tech industry is "eating the world" as Marc Andreessen put it. All meaningful political the power is in the hands of technology industrialists, so it matters who is represented in the technology industry.
      - babesh 6y ago
        Your two opinions contradict each other. On the one hand, you say you are for illegal immigration but on the other you are against the H1-B program. Those anti union, anti local workers as you call them are coming in via illegal immigration if you get your way. There are many powers besides tech: Wall Street, government, education, medical, military industrial complex, intelligence services, law, media, energy, etc... As tech gets bigger, it appears to be splitting into coalitions based on self interest as well.