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There’s probably a dumb reason I’m not thinking of, but why does the US have such a higher count than other large, industrialized nations?

rootsudo 6y ago
Underpaid IT/Infosec. People conflate IT and Infosec, once it's on an Govt payroll for billing purposes, no one touches the system if it's on a network provider, and not internal. If not internal, it won't show up on audits, most IT departments deal with a Windows Domain/Network and that's most locked down, but if it doesn't share a true connection physically, it's exempted from most audits. The question is, why are the telecom providers allowing this, but there's also alot of legacy stuff they don't want to touch as it may violate the terms/contract and the bandwidth isn't the issue, so telecoms largely ignore it as they're just a bridge/
achillean 6y ago
Some mobile networks in the US will give you a public IP whereas in most other countries they do Carrier-NAT. You can get a better sense of it when looking at the IP space owners for the devices: https://beta.shodan.io/search/facet?query=tag%3Aics+country%3AUS&facet=org https://beta.shodan.io/search/facet?query=tag%3Aics+country%...
jcranmer 6y ago
The US is a much larger country than countries like Germany or France. If you add up a roughly equal-sized amount of the European Union for comparison, you get a number of hosts around 30k-ish, which is somewhat lower than the US's 34-35k, but not by all that much.
- the_only_law 6y ago
  I’m not talking about European countries. I’m looking at countries like China, Russia, Brazil, India, etc.
  - belval 6y ago
    The BRIC (Brazil Russia India China) are still considered developing nations. In that context the level of industrialization is probably lower even though they are much more populous. As for China it's not impossible that they are already monitoring for that and blocking Shodan from accessing their Internet.
reaperducer 6y ago
why does the US have such a higher count than other large, industrialized nations? Maybe because it's comparing the entirety of the United States with much smaller countries like Italy and Spain. A comparison of the United States with the European Union would make more sense.
- the_only_law 6y ago
  There are other industrialized nations besides those in Europe, some with population much bigger the the US? Hence my use of the word large. I was thinking more of China, India, Russia, Brazil.
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  - CrazyStat 6y ago
    All four of those are considered developing economies, not developed economies (as the US and western Europe). There's a reason they're often grouped together as the the BRIC economies (sometimes with South Africa as BRICS).

rootsudo 6y ago

Underpaid IT/Infosec. People conflate IT and Infosec, once it's on an Govt payroll for billing purposes, no one touches the system if it's on a network provider, and not internal. If not internal, it won't show up on audits, most IT departments deal with a Windows Domain/Network and that's most locked down, but if it doesn't share a true connection physically, it's exempted from most audits. The question is, why are the telecom providers allowing this, but there's also alot of legacy stuff they don't want to touch as it may violate the terms/contract and the bandwidth isn't the issue, so telecoms largely ignore it as they're just a bridge/

achillean 6y ago

Some mobile networks in the US will give you a public IP whereas in most other countries they do Carrier-NAT. You can get a better sense of it when looking at the IP space owners for the devices: https://beta.shodan.io/search/facet?query=tag%3Aics+country%3AUS&facet=org https://beta.shodan.io/search/facet?query=tag%3Aics+country%...

jcranmer 6y ago

The US is a much larger country than countries like Germany or France. If you add up a roughly equal-sized amount of the European Union for comparison, you get a number of hosts around 30k-ish, which is somewhat lower than the US's 34-35k, but not by all that much.

the_only_law 6y ago
I’m not talking about European countries. I’m looking at countries like China, Russia, Brazil, India, etc.
- belval 6y ago
  The BRIC (Brazil Russia India China) are still considered developing nations. In that context the level of industrialization is probably lower even though they are much more populous. As for China it's not impossible that they are already monitoring for that and blocking Shodan from accessing their Internet.

reaperducer 6y ago

why does the US have such a higher count than other large, industrialized nations? Maybe because it's comparing the entirety of the United States with much smaller countries like Italy and Spain. A comparison of the United States with the European Union would make more sense.

the_only_law 6y ago
There are other industrialized nations besides those in Europe, some with population much bigger the the US? Hence my use of the word large. I was thinking more of China, India, Russia, Brazil.
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- CrazyStat 6y ago
  All four of those are considered developing economies, not developed economies (as the US and western Europe). There's a reason they're often grouped together as the the BRIC economies (sometimes with South Africa as BRICS).