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Come on. You don't use a loaded phrase like "Stasi-like" unless you're implying something nefarious. It seems monumentally hypocritical for a guy who's entire c

by tootie 6y ago

Come on. You don't use a loaded phrase like "Stasi-like" unless you're implying something nefarious. It seems monumentally hypocritical for a guy who's entire career is based on having access to other people's private communications. Lorenz's beat is heavily based on following social media trends including stuff like wallstreetbets which was the topic of the clubhouse chat. Greenwald is ascribing a lot of intent that he can't back up.

throwaway894345 6y ago
> You don't use a loaded phrase like "Stasi-like" unless you're implying something nefarious. To be perfectly clear, he was using it to refer to citizen-surveillance which is patently nefarious. > Greenwald is ascribing a lot of intent that he can't back up. Those of us who suffered her social media account while it was public have the context to know that his characterization isn't far off. More importantly though, this isn't about her, but rather about the broader trend of policing ideological transgressions and passing it off as "journalism".
- tootie 6y ago
  She had a Clubhouse invite and reported on what (she thought) she heard. That's not surveillance any more than watching TV is surveillance. Would Greenwald appreciate his methods being referred to as KGB-like espionage? Because working a source to reveal classified material is how they would do it. And it's seriously rich of him to accuse another journalist of pursuing an agenda.
  - throwaway894345 6y ago
    I think you misunderstand what citizen surveillance refers to. It’s not literal espionage.
    - tootie 6y ago
      Neither is listening in on Clubhouse. That convo was invite-only, but not private. And to my other point, what about Donald Sterling? He had a one-on-one private phone call leaked by his mistress that resulted in him being banned for life from the NBA for expressing his personal opinions. Consider that the apotheosis of "Cancel Culture". Now ask yourself if, knowing what we know about his true feelings, if we should respect his privacy and not complain about him owning an NBA franchise. Or if he is the true victim here. Or if it's just irrelevant that he's a billionaire and owned a fan-supported sports team.
      - throwaway894345 6y ago
        Again, I think you're misunderstanding "citizen surveillance". It refers to peers policing each other for ideological transgressions, not the surveillance of citizens. > And to my other point, what about Donald Sterling? He had a one-on-one private phone call leaked by his mistress that resulted in him being banned for life from the NBA for expressing his personal opinions. Consider that the apotheosis of "Cancel Culture". Broken clocks are right twice a day, but that's hardly a reason to prefer them.

by tootie 6y ago

throwaway894345 6y ago

> You don't use a loaded phrase like "Stasi-like" unless you're implying something nefarious. To be perfectly clear, he was using it to refer to citizen-surveillance which is patently nefarious. > Greenwald is ascribing a lot of intent that he can't back up. Those of us who suffered her social media account while it was public have the context to know that his characterization isn't far off. More importantly though, this isn't about her, but rather about the broader trend of policing ideological transgressions and passing it off as "journalism".

tootie 6y ago
She had a Clubhouse invite and reported on what (she thought) she heard. That's not surveillance any more than watching TV is surveillance. Would Greenwald appreciate his methods being referred to as KGB-like espionage? Because working a source to reveal classified material is how they would do it. And it's seriously rich of him to accuse another journalist of pursuing an agenda.
- throwaway894345 6y ago
  I think you misunderstand what citizen surveillance refers to. It’s not literal espionage.
  - tootie 6y ago
    Neither is listening in on Clubhouse. That convo was invite-only, but not private. And to my other point, what about Donald Sterling? He had a one-on-one private phone call leaked by his mistress that resulted in him being banned for life from the NBA for expressing his personal opinions. Consider that the apotheosis of "Cancel Culture". Now ask yourself if, knowing what we know about his true feelings, if we should respect his privacy and not complain about him owning an NBA franchise. Or if he is the true victim here. Or if it's just irrelevant that he's a billionaire and owned a fan-supported sports team.
    - throwaway894345 6y ago
      Again, I think you're misunderstanding "citizen surveillance". It refers to peers policing each other for ideological transgressions, not the surveillance of citizens. > And to my other point, what about Donald Sterling? He had a one-on-one private phone call leaked by his mistress that resulted in him being banned for life from the NBA for expressing his personal opinions. Consider that the apotheosis of "Cancel Culture". Broken clocks are right twice a day, but that's hardly a reason to prefer them.