3 ms·
Yes, you and I are more likely not to have say in this, I prefer the community to have a say not corporations.
by yannoninator 6y ago
Yes, you and I are more likely not to have say in this, I prefer the community to have a say not corporations.
- pjmlp 6y agoAnyone is free to submit a paper to ISO and ECMA, provided they are willing to champion it.
- yannoninator 6y agoYeah, this point is moot, still no say unless you pay to be a member, looks very high to me even to get a vote. My point is that it's all corporations and not the community, eventually the foundation will serve the interests of corporations one way or another.
- pjmlp 6y agoThere is no payment to be a member in ISO. As for the corporations, that is life, name one successful programming language without corporation backing.
- yannoninator 6y ago> There is no payment to be a member in ISO. The ISO member bodies don't charge any fees to be a member then? > As for the corporations, that is life, name one successful programming language without corporation backing. That isn't even the point, the issue is with these companies being on the board of directors, it seems you've resigned yourself to allow big tech companies to take control over Rust. You can have companies and individuals donate to a project without placing them on the board, and it seems that with Rust you can't even donate.
- pjmlp 6y agoDepends on the ISO work group, in what concerns C and C++, they don't charge for it, but it is up to you to cover for your travel expenses and vacation days to defend your papers. This is where corporation (or employeer) sponsorship comes into play. That is pretty much the point, given that there are no successfull programing languages in existence without companies financial support for their core team.
- yannoninator 6y ago> Depends on the ISO work group... So they do charge for membership fees then, thanks for confirming, remember you said: > There is no payment to be a member in ISO. Your other point is irrelevant, I am not even arguing that case and you haven't even provided your definition for "successfull programing languages".
- pjmlp 6y agoDon't twist my words, I explicitly stated that is not the case for C and C++. Your point is the one that is irrelevant, because your are yet to point out a successful programming language on the market according to your world vision. Here are some examples to inspire yourself. Ada, C, C++, Java, Python, Perl, JavaScript, F#, C#, VB.NET, Kotlin, Swift, Objective-C, Delphi, Typescript, Scala, Haskell, OCaml, Ruby, Erlang, Elixir.
- yannoninator 6y agoSo in general for ISO you do have to pay for fees, saying "not the case for C and C++" does not mean they don't do it at all, please don't move goal posts. > Your point is the one that is irrelevant, because your are yet to point out a successful programming language on the market according to your world vision. Is it? I still don't see your point, It seems you've just listed a bunch of languages when I am talking about big tech companies that are joining the board of directors of a foundation that you cannot even support as an individual, let alone have any say on.
- 6y ago
- Daho0n 6y agoThat doesn't mean everyone is equally heard. I seem to remember some debacle with an Open Document standard some years back...