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> Good journalism is extremely important but much of what we see today is a mix of extreme bias, outright lies and outrage manufacturing. I haven't seen Greenw

> Good journalism is extremely important but much of what we see today is a mix of extreme bias, outright lies and outrage manufacturing. I haven't seen Greenwald do much other than outrage manufacturing in some years. I guess it's paying the bills.

tehjoker 6y ago
What about the time he broke the story of Sergio Moro in Brazil and flipped the story of the Operation Car Wash corruption investigation (for which he was regularly threatened with bodily harm)?
astrange 6y ago
Greenwald’s pretending to be a libertarian journalist (but actually just hating US Democrats) is better than what he did before, defending neo-Nazis pretending to be a free speech advocate (but actually because he was one of them).
- tehjoker 6y ago
  Accusing Greenwald of being a Nazi is pretty uncalled for. I (a Jew) despise Nazis, but I can certainly distinguish between someone calling for the older liberal line of free speech for everyone (something Noam Chomsky has done [0]) and advocating for racial purity via ethnic cleansing. You can say that such a position might help Nazis, but to draw zero distinction is troubling. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faurisson_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faurisson_affair
  - astrange 6y ago
    I am not making a general claim, I’m making a specific claim about him. https://twitter.com/heresysquad/status/1191762909325492225?s=21 https://twitter.com/heresysquad/status/1191762909325492225?s... He was so enthusiastic about defending his clients (who were neo-Nazis, yes real ones, they do exist) that NY judges called him unethical in court and the bar banned his behavior after the fact. https://twitter.com/charliearchy/status/1110344950674186240?s=21 https://twitter.com/charliearchy/status/1110344950674186240?...
    - themaninthedark 6y ago
      I'm sorry but is there anything in that twitter thread that actually shows Glen Greenwald is a Nazi or is this one of those "If you defend one, you are one" cases? https://twitter.com/heresysquad https://twitter.com/heresysquad might be a little biased.
      - astrange 6y ago
        Defending is the job of a lawyer, and defending for a salary is the job of especially respectable lawyers like public defenders and the ACLU. Defending clients for free including news and media representation as in this case tends to mean you just like hanging out with them though. > Glen Greenwald is a Nazi I said "was" and "neo-". A more accurate current description of him is somewhere between contrarian twitter user and inchoate ball of rage. The contrarianism is why it's not actually bad for him if I insult him, it's like Trump, it probably just makes him stronger.
- betwixthewires 6y ago
  When are you guys going to figure out that this doesn't work anymore?
  - astrange 6y ago
    Am I supposed to believe he’s speaking truth to power by having constant rage fits on Twitter and appearing on Tucker Carlson?
    - betwixthewires 6y ago
      I don't care if he's speaking truth to power. You just called him a Nazi. You've turned a word that meant "mass murderer and genocide sympathizer" into a meaningless low effort character attack used only when no attacks of substance exist. You've even internalized it. You've desensitized us to it, if we were to one day elect a true Nazi you'd be partly to blame.
      - astrange 6y ago
        If Nazis took over the US I would be less to blame than Greenwald, who does Holocaust denial to win arguments on Twitter. https://twitter.com/___adn/status/1222936104493555712?s=21 https://twitter.com/___adn/status/1222936104493555712?s=21
        betwixthewires 6y ago
        Again, I'm not trying to attack you, but you're going to learn one day that the public is tired of constant character attacks. It looks to me like you're going to learn the hard way, when nobody pays any mind to a word you have to say one day. Side note, that link you linked to is not "holocaust denial", and I'll prove it, I'll quote it directly for you: "Noam Chomsky famously defended a French professor against attempts to have him fired because he questioned Holocaust orthodoxies. People understand Chomsky found the ideas repulsive but academic freedom sacred. That's the noble leftist tradition I support." I don't know how you can interpret that the way you framed it when you linked to it, but I'm beginning to doubt that even you genuinely believe the arguments you're making.
- newfatkidony 6y ago
  He was writing essentially the same articles defending Al-Qaeda and ISIS supporters from overreaching prosecution and media histrionics. It's shocking how he has free time to report on Bolsonaro if he's simultaneously a Nazi, ISIS and Al-Qaeda guy.

tehjoker 6y ago

What about the time he broke the story of Sergio Moro in Brazil and flipped the story of the Operation Car Wash corruption investigation (for which he was regularly threatened with bodily harm)?

astrange 6y ago

Greenwald’s pretending to be a libertarian journalist (but actually just hating US Democrats) is better than what he did before, defending neo-Nazis pretending to be a free speech advocate (but actually because he was one of them).

tehjoker 6y ago
Accusing Greenwald of being a Nazi is pretty uncalled for. I (a Jew) despise Nazis, but I can certainly distinguish between someone calling for the older liberal line of free speech for everyone (something Noam Chomsky has done [0]) and advocating for racial purity via ethnic cleansing. You can say that such a position might help Nazis, but to draw zero distinction is troubling. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faurisson_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faurisson_affair
- astrange 6y ago
  I am not making a general claim, I’m making a specific claim about him. https://twitter.com/heresysquad/status/1191762909325492225?s=21 https://twitter.com/heresysquad/status/1191762909325492225?s... He was so enthusiastic about defending his clients (who were neo-Nazis, yes real ones, they do exist) that NY judges called him unethical in court and the bar banned his behavior after the fact. https://twitter.com/charliearchy/status/1110344950674186240?s=21 https://twitter.com/charliearchy/status/1110344950674186240?...
  - themaninthedark 6y ago
    I'm sorry but is there anything in that twitter thread that actually shows Glen Greenwald is a Nazi or is this one of those "If you defend one, you are one" cases? https://twitter.com/heresysquad https://twitter.com/heresysquad might be a little biased.
    - astrange 6y ago
      Defending is the job of a lawyer, and defending for a salary is the job of especially respectable lawyers like public defenders and the ACLU. Defending clients for free including news and media representation as in this case tends to mean you just like hanging out with them though. > Glen Greenwald is a Nazi I said "was" and "neo-". A more accurate current description of him is somewhere between contrarian twitter user and inchoate ball of rage. The contrarianism is why it's not actually bad for him if I insult him, it's like Trump, it probably just makes him stronger.
betwixthewires 6y ago
When are you guys going to figure out that this doesn't work anymore?
- astrange 6y ago
  Am I supposed to believe he’s speaking truth to power by having constant rage fits on Twitter and appearing on Tucker Carlson?
  - betwixthewires 6y ago
    I don't care if he's speaking truth to power. You just called him a Nazi. You've turned a word that meant "mass murderer and genocide sympathizer" into a meaningless low effort character attack used only when no attacks of substance exist. You've even internalized it. You've desensitized us to it, if we were to one day elect a true Nazi you'd be partly to blame.
    - astrange 6y ago
      If Nazis took over the US I would be less to blame than Greenwald, who does Holocaust denial to win arguments on Twitter. https://twitter.com/___adn/status/1222936104493555712?s=21 https://twitter.com/___adn/status/1222936104493555712?s=21
      - betwixthewires 6y ago
        Again, I'm not trying to attack you, but you're going to learn one day that the public is tired of constant character attacks. It looks to me like you're going to learn the hard way, when nobody pays any mind to a word you have to say one day. Side note, that link you linked to is not "holocaust denial", and I'll prove it, I'll quote it directly for you: "Noam Chomsky famously defended a French professor against attempts to have him fired because he questioned Holocaust orthodoxies. People understand Chomsky found the ideas repulsive but academic freedom sacred. That's the noble leftist tradition I support." I don't know how you can interpret that the way you framed it when you linked to it, but I'm beginning to doubt that even you genuinely believe the arguments you're making.
newfatkidony 6y ago
He was writing essentially the same articles defending Al-Qaeda and ISIS supporters from overreaching prosecution and media histrionics. It's shocking how he has free time to report on Bolsonaro if he's simultaneously a Nazi, ISIS and Al-Qaeda guy.