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Just as crazypython said, it seems that the power has shifted from Mozilla and the community to big corporations on the future of Rust. This is worrying to me

Just as crazypython said, it seems that the power has shifted from Mozilla and the community to big corporations on the future of Rust. This is worrying to me in that engineers are naively selling their souls to big corporations just to work on Rust. I'm glad for the formation of the foundation, even though I hear that even Facebook (although not on the board yet) are looking for engineers to work on the Rust compiler. Yikes.

iso8859-1 6y ago
No language has ever been ruined by large corporations. Languages are too far removed from society to be affected by this.
- yannoninator 6y ago
  > No language has ever been ruined by large corporations. Oracle ruined Java.
  - iso8859-1 6y ago
    How? Pron seems to be ok with the direction: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19827063 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19827063
jiayounokim 6y ago
Code is code. Big corporations or small corporation, if the language benefits from it, its all good. React is from FB, they have engineering talent as such Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Mozilla.
pjmlp 6y ago
Big corporations are also driving ISO and ECMA languages, so do you feel like selling your soul to work with C?
- yannoninator 6y ago
  Yes, you and I are more likely not to have say in this, I prefer the community to have a say not corporations.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Anyone is free to submit a paper to ISO and ECMA, provided they are willing to champion it.
    - yannoninator 6y ago
      Yeah, this point is moot, still no say unless you pay to be a member, looks very high to me even to get a vote. My point is that it's all corporations and not the community, eventually the foundation will serve the interests of corporations one way or another.
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        There is no payment to be a member in ISO. As for the corporations, that is life, name one successful programming language without corporation backing.
        yannoninator 6y ago
        > There is no payment to be a member in ISO. The ISO member bodies don't charge any fees to be a member then? > As for the corporations, that is life, name one successful programming language without corporation backing. That isn't even the point, the issue is with these companies being on the board of directors, it seems you've resigned yourself to allow big tech companies to take control over Rust. You can have companies and individuals donate to a project without placing them on the board, and it seems that with Rust you can't even donate.
        pjmlp 6y ago
        Depends on the ISO work group, in what concerns C and C++, they don't charge for it, but it is up to you to cover for your travel expenses and vacation days to defend your papers. This is where corporation (or employeer) sponsorship comes into play. That is pretty much the point, given that there are no successfull programing languages in existence without companies financial support for their core team.

iso8859-1 6y ago

No language has ever been ruined by large corporations. Languages are too far removed from society to be affected by this.

yannoninator 6y ago
> No language has ever been ruined by large corporations. Oracle ruined Java.
- iso8859-1 6y ago
  How? Pron seems to be ok with the direction: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19827063 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19827063

jiayounokim 6y ago

Code is code. Big corporations or small corporation, if the language benefits from it, its all good. React is from FB, they have engineering talent as such Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Mozilla.

pjmlp 6y ago

Big corporations are also driving ISO and ECMA languages, so do you feel like selling your soul to work with C?

yannoninator 6y ago
Yes, you and I are more likely not to have say in this, I prefer the community to have a say not corporations.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Anyone is free to submit a paper to ISO and ECMA, provided they are willing to champion it.
  - yannoninator 6y ago
    Yeah, this point is moot, still no say unless you pay to be a member, looks very high to me even to get a vote. My point is that it's all corporations and not the community, eventually the foundation will serve the interests of corporations one way or another.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      There is no payment to be a member in ISO. As for the corporations, that is life, name one successful programming language without corporation backing.
      - yannoninator 6y ago
        > There is no payment to be a member in ISO. The ISO member bodies don't charge any fees to be a member then? > As for the corporations, that is life, name one successful programming language without corporation backing. That isn't even the point, the issue is with these companies being on the board of directors, it seems you've resigned yourself to allow big tech companies to take control over Rust. You can have companies and individuals donate to a project without placing them on the board, and it seems that with Rust you can't even donate.
        pjmlp 6y ago
        Depends on the ISO work group, in what concerns C and C++, they don't charge for it, but it is up to you to cover for your travel expenses and vacation days to defend your papers. This is where corporation (or employeer) sponsorship comes into play. That is pretty much the point, given that there are no successfull programing languages in existence without companies financial support for their core team.