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(Blog post author here) Referring to my job change as the company offering me charity is offensive and incorrect (I took a pay cut and worked hard to learn what

(Blog post author here) Referring to my job change as the company offering me charity is offensive and incorrect (I took a pay cut and worked hard to learn what I need to in order to be effective). Asserting that someone working in UX research/design is in an entirely unrelated field from software development is also wildly incorrect. UX folks work with SWEs regularly and are working on the same projects, albeit from a different perspective. There are also examples of men at my company making fairly similar changes across organizations. I'd love for you to take a minute and consider why you approached my story with the preconceived notion that I've only gotten this opportunity because I'm a woman.

Geminidog 6y ago
>Referring to my job change as the company offering me charity is offensive and incorrect (I took a pay cut and worked hard to learn what I need to in order to be effective). It was not intended as an insult, so apologies. But I still stand by my statements because I believe them to be true. Other things that will lead to clearer views on this is your overall software skills relative to other people in the same position, but such ratings are also colored with the lens of bias. As it stands though, the deal is still obviously uneconomical and therefore a charity or a gift to you. Nothing wrong with this and it wasn't intended as an insult. >There are also examples of men at my company making fairly similar changes across organizations If that's the case present your data! This will definitely help change my view point. >I'd love for you to take a minute and consider why you approached my story with the preconceived notion that I've only gotten this opportunity because I'm a woman. I have. It is not preconceived. The hypothesis was made based off of available data. Like I said, the business deal the company made with you is not economical, so there must be another reason why the company gave you such a one sided deal when they can get a better deal. My assumption is that part of it is because of your sex and your looks. This goes inline with my anecdotal experience of working with women in engineering. If your saying the exact reason why you were hired over say a new CS grad or boot camper is because of your domain knowledge and UX experience, then sure I grant you that as a major possibility. However it does not discount the possibility that what I said is true. You wouldn't know because you manager either gave you that deal subconsciously or he won't admit it. There's really no avenue to determine either argument definitively. I propose not continuing. As a side note, I've worked hard to get where I am right now. And no company paid me to learn software on the job. If they did it would be an act of charity and I would be grateful to them if they did.
- dang 6y ago
  We've banned this account for egregiously breaking the site guidelines. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26069552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26069552 and stop creating accounts to do hellish things on HN. Haranguing other users who show up here to discuss their work is one of the worst things anyone can possibly do here—and yes, that's what you've did: "If that's the case present your data!" — that you were not hired because of your sex and your looks? What the fuck. We want authors show up on HN to discuss their writings. The choice between having that vs. having trolls who personally attack them is not a difficult one. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - nadllik 6y ago
    >Haranguing other users who show up here to discuss there work is one of the worst things anyone can possibly do here—and yes, that's what you've did: "If that's the case present your data!" — that you were not hired because of your sex and your looks? What the fuck. No. She said she knows of many cases where men made the exact same horizontal moves in her organization. She said she HAS data. I am simply asking her to present it. Your attitude here is one that is too quick to judge. >We want authors show up on HN to discuss their writings. The choice between having that vs. having trolls who personally attack them is not a difficult one. Except I'm not trolling. I am presenting a legitimate view point that is not a personal attack. Her case is very abnormal and I am addressing the abnormality, which is very very reasonable. You don't hear of many cases where a horizontal shift like this is possible. So it is not an attack. It don't know her personally and I have no reason to attack her. Your statement is categorically incorrect. I also think your dismissing the intelligence and judgement of your users. This post had a quite high number of upvotes and users of HN are not your classic reddit mob. The votes are evidence that users of this site don't share your opinion so you used your own biased view points to override my view point and dismissed the majority who agreed with me. Let's be real the people who flagged me are just a vocal minority. You are moderating based off of your own personal biases and I wish you would just moderate the flame war instead of censoring the topic. I'm using another account here which you can ban as well (I'll just get another one). I'll be more mindful to follow your guidelines in the future including the arbitrary guideline you made up here on the fly to support your personal biases. I like this site but a highly disagree with your moderation practices.

Geminidog 6y ago

>Referring to my job change as the company offering me charity is offensive and incorrect (I took a pay cut and worked hard to learn what I need to in order to be effective). It was not intended as an insult, so apologies. But I still stand by my statements because I believe them to be true. Other things that will lead to clearer views on this is your overall software skills relative to other people in the same position, but such ratings are also colored with the lens of bias. As it stands though, the deal is still obviously uneconomical and therefore a charity or a gift to you. Nothing wrong with this and it wasn't intended as an insult. >There are also examples of men at my company making fairly similar changes across organizations If that's the case present your data! This will definitely help change my view point. >I'd love for you to take a minute and consider why you approached my story with the preconceived notion that I've only gotten this opportunity because I'm a woman. I have. It is not preconceived. The hypothesis was made based off of available data. Like I said, the business deal the company made with you is not economical, so there must be another reason why the company gave you such a one sided deal when they can get a better deal. My assumption is that part of it is because of your sex and your looks. This goes inline with my anecdotal experience of working with women in engineering. If your saying the exact reason why you were hired over say a new CS grad or boot camper is because of your domain knowledge and UX experience, then sure I grant you that as a major possibility. However it does not discount the possibility that what I said is true. You wouldn't know because you manager either gave you that deal subconsciously or he won't admit it. There's really no avenue to determine either argument definitively. I propose not continuing. As a side note, I've worked hard to get where I am right now. And no company paid me to learn software on the job. If they did it would be an act of charity and I would be grateful to them if they did.

dang 6y ago
We've banned this account for egregiously breaking the site guidelines. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26069552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26069552 and stop creating accounts to do hellish things on HN. Haranguing other users who show up here to discuss their work is one of the worst things anyone can possibly do here—and yes, that's what you've did: "If that's the case present your data!" — that you were not hired because of your sex and your looks? What the fuck. We want authors show up on HN to discuss their writings. The choice between having that vs. having trolls who personally attack them is not a difficult one. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- nadllik 6y ago
  >Haranguing other users who show up here to discuss there work is one of the worst things anyone can possibly do here—and yes, that's what you've did: "If that's the case present your data!" — that you were not hired because of your sex and your looks? What the fuck. No. She said she knows of many cases where men made the exact same horizontal moves in her organization. She said she HAS data. I am simply asking her to present it. Your attitude here is one that is too quick to judge. >We want authors show up on HN to discuss their writings. The choice between having that vs. having trolls who personally attack them is not a difficult one. Except I'm not trolling. I am presenting a legitimate view point that is not a personal attack. Her case is very abnormal and I am addressing the abnormality, which is very very reasonable. You don't hear of many cases where a horizontal shift like this is possible. So it is not an attack. It don't know her personally and I have no reason to attack her. Your statement is categorically incorrect. I also think your dismissing the intelligence and judgement of your users. This post had a quite high number of upvotes and users of HN are not your classic reddit mob. The votes are evidence that users of this site don't share your opinion so you used your own biased view points to override my view point and dismissed the majority who agreed with me. Let's be real the people who flagged me are just a vocal minority. You are moderating based off of your own personal biases and I wish you would just moderate the flame war instead of censoring the topic. I'm using another account here which you can ban as well (I'll just get another one). I'll be more mindful to follow your guidelines in the future including the arbitrary guideline you made up here on the fly to support your personal biases. I like this site but a highly disagree with your moderation practices.