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This is such a horrible misogynistic comment, it saddens me greatly this crap is on top, tells a tale about HN audience. Janitor? Charity? Hot female? Just list

This is such a horrible misogynistic comment, it saddens me greatly this crap is on top, tells a tale about HN audience. Janitor? Charity? Hot female? Just listen to yourself, you're so full of hate.

VSerge 6y ago
Consider the last sentence : "I think most men and people in general like to think of themselves as non-biased so most of this happens as subconscious actions." Pretty sure this commenter thought of themselves as non-biased. Irony is a cruel mistress.
- Geminidog 6y ago
  How is my statement biased? Men can suffer from unfair treatment as well. I never said anything to discount feminism, I simply stated one case where men are treated less well then women and I caveated that statement saying that this was based off of my own anecdotal experiences implying that your experience could be different. Do you think it's possible to live in a world where women are the only gender that is mistreated? Or do you think it's more realistic to live in a world where infractions are committed against both genders? This is off topic, but if my statement about this one case pissed you off because you're an ardent supporter of womens' rights I think you need to watch the video below and keep in mind... I literally never said anything AGAINST women's rights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMuzhQXJoY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMuzhQXJoY
Geminidog 6y ago
I didn't say anything hateful towards women. I think women get this better treatment then men but I didn't say they should turn it down nor did I say they didn't deserve it. I simply pointed out a difference. And what wrong with switching from Janitor to SWE? Same basic job switch from one another field with completely different skillets but completely different treatment due to perceived ranking.
- wizzard 6y ago
  The problem is that you are likening her to a janitor to create the impression that she has zero programming experience. First of all, if you'd read the article you'll find she probably has as much experience as a lot of bootcamp grads. You're also kind of insulting janitors by assuming none of them could possibly have any coding skills. So many people nowadays learn coding using "non-traditional" means, and some of those people are REALLY good. Her skills were evaluated over a period of time and she was found to be worthy of a place. Why is that so difficult to believe? If this story were about a man, how would your reaction be different?
  - Geminidog 6y ago
    >The problem is that you are likening her to a janitor to create the impression that she has zero programming experience. You're completely right. Change "janitor" to "janitor who went to bootcamp" and my statement still stands. This girl didn't even go to bootcamp. Stop implying I have insulted people. I haven't said anything hateful at all. >If this story were about a man, how would your reaction be different? My reaction would be completely different. You're right. You could actually go find a similar story for a man, post it here and that can help change my view on this subject. The more similar stories you find for men who have done this the more evidence you will have to support your case. As it stands I find that it is much less likely for a man to be offered this act of charity. My views are based off of anecdotal evidence and I will flip flop my views and do a full 360 based off of all available data. As a side note, men tend to find rank more important learning a new skill or career. Due to this less men will even try to take up this deal when offered the opportunity. I think it has happened but it's just much less likely. To build a realistic data set you need to find the percentages success vs. failures of both men and women who have tried a horizontal career switch within the same company. Unfortunately this data is likely very hard to build so both of our arguments are quite speculative. Still I have anecdotal data, you haven't offered any.
- kazinator 6y ago
  > I think women get this better treatment Don't forget that chubby, 59-year-old females are also women, though.
dang 6y ago
We've banned the account. Obviously that was egregious vandalism, if not arson. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26069552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26069552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26069593 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26069593 You have to judge this sort of thing by the entire community response cycle, though. Indignation, provocation, trolling often gets heavily upvoted—but then the rest of the community reacts appropriately and flags it. Usually that will bring it to our attention, too, in which case we can take further moderation action.
- nadllik 6y ago
  that's not true. trolling does not get upvoted here. HN users are usually above the mob mentality. You're just defining it as trolling because you disagree with the upvotes. You are enforcing your own personal opinion here.
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This is such a horrible misogynistic comment, it saddens me greatly this crap is on top, tells a tale about HN audience. Janitor? Charity? Hot female? Just listen to yourself, you're so full of hate.

VSerge 6y ago

Consider the last sentence : "I think most men and people in general like to think of themselves as non-biased so most of this happens as subconscious actions." Pretty sure this commenter thought of themselves as non-biased. Irony is a cruel mistress.

Geminidog 6y ago
How is my statement biased? Men can suffer from unfair treatment as well. I never said anything to discount feminism, I simply stated one case where men are treated less well then women and I caveated that statement saying that this was based off of my own anecdotal experiences implying that your experience could be different. Do you think it's possible to live in a world where women are the only gender that is mistreated? Or do you think it's more realistic to live in a world where infractions are committed against both genders? This is off topic, but if my statement about this one case pissed you off because you're an ardent supporter of womens' rights I think you need to watch the video below and keep in mind... I literally never said anything AGAINST women's rights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMuzhQXJoY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMuzhQXJoY

Geminidog 6y ago

I didn't say anything hateful towards women. I think women get this better treatment then men but I didn't say they should turn it down nor did I say they didn't deserve it. I simply pointed out a difference. And what wrong with switching from Janitor to SWE? Same basic job switch from one another field with completely different skillets but completely different treatment due to perceived ranking.

wizzard 6y ago
The problem is that you are likening her to a janitor to create the impression that she has zero programming experience. First of all, if you'd read the article you'll find she probably has as much experience as a lot of bootcamp grads. You're also kind of insulting janitors by assuming none of them could possibly have any coding skills. So many people nowadays learn coding using "non-traditional" means, and some of those people are REALLY good. Her skills were evaluated over a period of time and she was found to be worthy of a place. Why is that so difficult to believe? If this story were about a man, how would your reaction be different?
- Geminidog 6y ago
  >The problem is that you are likening her to a janitor to create the impression that she has zero programming experience. You're completely right. Change "janitor" to "janitor who went to bootcamp" and my statement still stands. This girl didn't even go to bootcamp. Stop implying I have insulted people. I haven't said anything hateful at all. >If this story were about a man, how would your reaction be different? My reaction would be completely different. You're right. You could actually go find a similar story for a man, post it here and that can help change my view on this subject. The more similar stories you find for men who have done this the more evidence you will have to support your case. As it stands I find that it is much less likely for a man to be offered this act of charity. My views are based off of anecdotal evidence and I will flip flop my views and do a full 360 based off of all available data. As a side note, men tend to find rank more important learning a new skill or career. Due to this less men will even try to take up this deal when offered the opportunity. I think it has happened but it's just much less likely. To build a realistic data set you need to find the percentages success vs. failures of both men and women who have tried a horizontal career switch within the same company. Unfortunately this data is likely very hard to build so both of our arguments are quite speculative. Still I have anecdotal data, you haven't offered any.
kazinator 6y ago
> I think women get this better treatment Don't forget that chubby, 59-year-old females are also women, though.

dang 6y ago

We've banned the account. Obviously that was egregious vandalism, if not arson. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26069552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26069552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26069593 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26069593 You have to judge this sort of thing by the entire community response cycle, though. Indignation, provocation, trolling often gets heavily upvoted—but then the rest of the community reacts appropriately and flags it. Usually that will bring it to our attention, too, in which case we can take further moderation action.

nadllik 6y ago
that's not true. trolling does not get upvoted here. HN users are usually above the mob mentality. You're just defining it as trolling because you disagree with the upvotes. You are enforcing your own personal opinion here.
- deleted 6y ago
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