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I find these anecdotes to be completely untrue. Women are often assumed to be less competent, and are often passed over during hiring for men of equal competenc
by carlisle_ 6y ago
I find these anecdotes to be completely untrue. Women are often assumed to be less competent, and are often passed over during hiring for men of equal competence.
I've seen some incredibly useless dudes sit back and rest and vest for months and months without any repercussions. I don't have an equivalent story for women because I work with significantly less women. Let's try focusing on the apparent and obvious biases against women before we start keeping score on how men are so disenfranchised.
- zapdrive 6y agoFound the feminist.
- carlisle_ 6y agoYes you did, did you expect me to be ashamed about this?
- jansan 6y agoNo, but you should not feel superior, either.
- carlisle_ 6y agoWhat'd you really hope to accomplish with this post?
- jansan 6y agoWhat did the parent try to achieve?
- carlisle_ 6y agoYou want me to speak for somebody else instead of you speaking for yourself?
- jansan 6y agoWhatever, dude, the parent comment came from you. You asked if you should be ashamed for being feminist, I replied no, but you should also not be proud of this, because there is nothing easier and more mainstream today than being a feminist. That's all.
- carlisle_ 6y agoWhy didn't you reply with this instead of answering my question with a question?
- Geminidog 6y agoNothing wrong with being a feminist. Both genders deserve equal treatment. I consider myself to be a feminist.
- trollolo1 6y agoWhere'd the comment go? I wanted to say tell that guy that my manager is actually competent, so he has my respect, but I would not capitalize the word "boss". He may pay your bills, yet that doesn't make him family[1]. Anyway, I see guys mentoring guys all the time. There's nothing sexual 'bout it! [1] https://www.grammarly.com/blog/capitalization-family-title/ https://www.grammarly.com/blog/capitalization-family-title/
- Geminidog 6y agoI've mentored guys and girls and I knew one coworker who literally had sex with the interns he "mentored." It can be both sexual and non-sexual and both at the same time. Definitely if the minuscule "possibility" of sex is open, that is an "advantage" that a woman may knowingly or unknowing take advantage of.
- carlisle_ 6y agoHtf do you call yourself a feminist with posts like this?
- Geminidog 6y agoBecause I support equal opportunity for all genders. I assume this is what feminism supports as well. Is there somewhere in my post where I implied otherwise? Please cite what I said that made you think I am not a feminist.
- carlisle_ 6y agoDude you have two flagged posts talking about women and you're going to try to convince me you're a feminist?
- Geminidog 6y agoHow does two flags make me not a feminist? My reputation or two flags has nothing to do with whether or not I'm a feminist or not. It doesn't even make sense how I was flagged. I literally worked in a place where a coworker had sex with the interns he "mentored" and he "mentored" them directly for the opportunity of sex. This happened, and it's not in my power to control what happens in the real world. My coworker also "hired" these interns and I can guarantee you they wouldn't have been hired if they were dudes. Not saying this happens everywhere, but this stuff definitely happens. Literally what did I say or do that was against equal opportunities for both genders? Nothing. If I'm wrong, find evidence and make your case.
- Geminidog 6y ago>I find these anecdotes to be completely untrue. You can't find my anecdotal experiences to be untrue because you haven't experienced my anecdotal experience. This is physically impossible. What you can claim is that my anecdotal experiences do not apply to women in engineering corporations in general. However, this is not a claim that I made as I caveated my point with the fact that what I'm saying is based off of my own anecdotal evidence. > I don't have an equivalent story for women because I work with significantly less women. Evidence is the only way to make sense of the reality we live in and there are two basic types: Anecdotal and Statistical. You claim here that you have no anecdotal evidence. That means statistical evidence is your only option (a stronger option btw) so where is it? >Let's try focusing on the apparent and obvious biases against women before we start keeping score on how men are so disenfranchised. Why should I focus on your claim that has no evidence? If men are indeed disenfranchised shouldn't that deserve focus? Are womens' rights superior to mens rights? Are you implying men can't be treated unfairly? Why can't we focus on the rights of both genders?
- carlisle_ 6y ago>Why can't we focus on the rights of both genders? Ask yourself that question. In response to somebody writing about their experience changing careers you brought up how men aren't treated fairly.
- Geminidog 6y agoI did. I responded because imo under normal circumstances nobody would be offered this kind of deal. It doesn't make economical sense for the company. She was given leeway and my guess is because she's a woman among other things. Women do have advantages that men don't. Women also have disadvantages but that is not my point. I am simply pointing out one area where women have an advantage in a male dominated field. It's a real advantage.
- carlisle_ 6y agoOh no, women have one advantage over men (if it were true) in a male dominated field. How do you not see how contradictory that statement is?
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- kazinator 6y agoYou can't find someone else's anecdotes untrue. Reverse sexism is completely real, just like "regular" sexism. It doesn't compensate for it in any way, of course. Reverse sexism helps some women, some of the time. It doesn't help women, as such, in the big picture.
- carlisle_ 6y ago>You can't find someone else's anecdotes untrue. Sure I can when they're filled with obvious and apparent cognitive biases.
- kazinator 6y agoBut that's what personal anecdotes are. They are not something like "objective observations providing raw data, without any selection or interpretation". Anecdotes might not support the conclusions they are intended to support, but that doesn't make the anecdotes per se false. Anecodotes are, well, "anecdotal".
- carlisle_ 6y agoI mean, you gonna stick up for the guy that just got banned?
- kazinator 6y agoNo, I'm sticking up for the idea that people's anecdotal experiences are valid, within their epistemological/cognitive limits, and not simply "false". That doesn't depend on whether or not someone got banned. That user unfortunately resorted to some behaviors that looked like antagonizing another user at the personal level. His interpretations of some of his experiences are off the mark. E.g. how some coworker hired interns in order to sexually victimize them is clearly not an example of women getting some sort of easy advancement or free pass. That the events happened is plausibly true; there is no basis for denying the raw facts of the anecdote. It's just not a relevant anecdote, really.
- agumonkey 6y agoSexism is complicated, I've known useless women at work (crippled, not enough mastery or drive) and even abusive ones (charm as a pass to delegate their work to others). I think one of the issue of work is that you have to be overly bold to crack through the process, even if you're an incompetent employee on many levels, you'll get there through tribal-ish reflexes. And I think masculine traits align with that, which make them get hired a lot more.