>but I'd bet that most are successful at creating value that you're just quite not able to see. I did not say they create nothing, i just said that they should

>but I'd bet that most are successful at creating value that you're just quite not able to see. I did not say they create nothing, i just said that they should not be held to a higher "rank" than people who actually create something real, with that said there should not be a feeling of "demotion" from director to developer...quite the opposite in fact. BTW: Look at your reaction, instantly calling me ignorant because i think managers are just gears in the system and NOT drivers.