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Computers decide if you get a job (and access to a resource called "money", pretty important for living). Computers decide if your Google accounts gets deleted

Computers decide if you get a job (and access to a resource called "money", pretty important for living). Computers decide if your Google accounts gets deleted, without warning. Computers decide if you can get credit, or open a bank, or participate in society. And there is 0, yup, 0 accountability. Computer doesn't like you? Tough shit, get fucked, nothing you can do. If you don't have an internet connection, you're fucked. If you don't have fast upload speeds and a capability to record video and are willing to store it on someone else's computer (where they will datamine it and use it against you in the future, or it'll be "leaked"/sold) then you're fucked. So now, to get a job I need: To participate in surveillance and trading of my data where it'll be data raped A smart phone A fast internet connection So great, fuck you to all the poor people I guess who find technology hard, they can just go die. I'm beginning to think computers were the biggest mistake humans ever made. We need regulation and fast against this sort of thing, to make the hiring process fair and accessible to everyone.

encom 6y ago
This is maybe true in Silicon Valley. Not in the real world. Also, nobody needs a Google account.
- mafuy 6y ago
  I wish it were as you say. Effectively, at least a facebook account was needed at two of the universities I was at. I've also seen instances of important (even life threatening) information being transmitted via social networks, exclusively. So yes, sometimes you pretty much have to be part of that game.
d1zzy 6y ago
Computers are just a tool, they're great at processing lots of data very fast. That makes certain types of tasks a good fit for them. None of the things you mentioned were necessarily better before computers, they simply used other methods to do the selection. But that doesn't mean those methods were better. > I'm beginning to think computers were the biggest mistake humans ever made. We need regulation and fast against this sort of thing, to make the hiring process fair and accessible to everyone. It was never fair and accessible to everyone (for those companies that would employ algorithm based resume screening). Just that instead of whatever other arbitrary mechanism they had used until now to filter out candidates they now use "AI". It's good to be trying to find better solutions to these problems, but don't rile up against computers because computers might be part of the solution.
Jochim 6y ago
In regards to society computers are still a relatively new invention. The behaviour we're seeing at the moment will either be regulated away or the affected populations will end up as neo-serfs, subjects to decision making systems they are allowed no control over. The EU is at the forefront of the fight against this: people can demand an explanation of algorithmic decision making and GDPR prevents organisations from holding your data without consent. Computers are powerful tools and can be put to both constructive and destructive purposes. I'm hopeful that at least some societies will figure out sensible limitations on what use they can be put to.
P_I_Staker 6y ago
I'd actually go beyond the computers. Why is taking any time away from work make you a liability? Don't answer that, I know all the excuses, but this is horrible oppressive policy, even if it happened "accidently". What if you want to travel the world, try to get your band a touring presence, look after a sick relative, or god forbid you want more time with your kids (especially men). You're viewed as traitor to capitalism for taking your nose off the grindstone 1% of your life. Don't you dare get fired either. Better not accidently work for a company that tells you to do something grossly unethical, or illegal. Don't accidently be a part of a negative news/viral social media story. Doesn't matter if it's wrong, they'll just print a tiny retraction in fine print and leave the main article at the top of google. Then there's the justice system. Why does getting busted for anything permanently make you a second class citizen? We talk so much shit about China, but the USA, and the elite in our country definitely has a no-no list that will give a life sentence as the "untouchable class". Of course, we let a few talented "untouchables" advance to the middle class (it helps if you were previously a member). I actually have a bit of a conspiracy theory about this. Amazon and others have commercials bragging about hiring ex-cons. I think they might use this market to bring wages down. Essentially, they pick from the cream of the crop, with the most benign offenses, and best sob story; you can pay them whatever, they'll be thrilled for any middle class chance! P.S. I know what China does is worse, and some of the specific reasons why, but sometimes I'm not so sure.

encom 6y ago

This is maybe true in Silicon Valley. Not in the real world. Also, nobody needs a Google account.

mafuy 6y ago
I wish it were as you say. Effectively, at least a facebook account was needed at two of the universities I was at. I've also seen instances of important (even life threatening) information being transmitted via social networks, exclusively. So yes, sometimes you pretty much have to be part of that game.

d1zzy 6y ago

Computers are just a tool, they're great at processing lots of data very fast. That makes certain types of tasks a good fit for them. None of the things you mentioned were necessarily better before computers, they simply used other methods to do the selection. But that doesn't mean those methods were better. > I'm beginning to think computers were the biggest mistake humans ever made. We need regulation and fast against this sort of thing, to make the hiring process fair and accessible to everyone. It was never fair and accessible to everyone (for those companies that would employ algorithm based resume screening). Just that instead of whatever other arbitrary mechanism they had used until now to filter out candidates they now use "AI". It's good to be trying to find better solutions to these problems, but don't rile up against computers because computers might be part of the solution.

Jochim 6y ago

In regards to society computers are still a relatively new invention. The behaviour we're seeing at the moment will either be regulated away or the affected populations will end up as neo-serfs, subjects to decision making systems they are allowed no control over. The EU is at the forefront of the fight against this: people can demand an explanation of algorithmic decision making and GDPR prevents organisations from holding your data without consent. Computers are powerful tools and can be put to both constructive and destructive purposes. I'm hopeful that at least some societies will figure out sensible limitations on what use they can be put to.

P_I_Staker 6y ago

I'd actually go beyond the computers. Why is taking any time away from work make you a liability? Don't answer that, I know all the excuses, but this is horrible oppressive policy, even if it happened "accidently". What if you want to travel the world, try to get your band a touring presence, look after a sick relative, or god forbid you want more time with your kids (especially men). You're viewed as traitor to capitalism for taking your nose off the grindstone 1% of your life. Don't you dare get fired either. Better not accidently work for a company that tells you to do something grossly unethical, or illegal. Don't accidently be a part of a negative news/viral social media story. Doesn't matter if it's wrong, they'll just print a tiny retraction in fine print and leave the main article at the top of google. Then there's the justice system. Why does getting busted for anything permanently make you a second class citizen? We talk so much shit about China, but the USA, and the elite in our country definitely has a no-no list that will give a life sentence as the "untouchable class". Of course, we let a few talented "untouchables" advance to the middle class (it helps if you were previously a member). I actually have a bit of a conspiracy theory about this. Amazon and others have commercials bragging about hiring ex-cons. I think they might use this market to bring wages down. Essentially, they pick from the cream of the crop, with the most benign offenses, and best sob story; you can pay them whatever, they'll be thrilled for any middle class chance! P.S. I know what China does is worse, and some of the specific reasons why, but sometimes I'm not so sure.