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> You've just proven the racism I am speaking about, and why Slovakia (or Czechia, Poland, etc) That's not racism. That's being careful, based on past experien

> You've just proven the racism I am speaking about, and why Slovakia (or Czechia, Poland, etc) That's not racism. That's being careful, based on past experiences. You are welcome the make improvements to the current experiences, but blaming them for racism will push things exactly the opposite way. > is really bad place for Arabs. Do not conflate faith and race either. This area is not suitable for Muslims, and you can thank Ottoman empire for that. See that string of castles in Slovakian mountains? Same story. They have really bad historical experience with them. But not everything is just bad and people are not keeping in their shells. During 80s, the Eastern bloc countries has sent many thousands of experts to build up the infrastructure in some (at the time friendly) Arab and ME countries. During these years, the relations improved significantly, it was relatively safe for white people to be in these countries. Now that went down the drain. > for example dating a Vietnamese is often considered bad, people are still trying to not have children in the same classes as Vietnamese children, Vietnamese medical professionals are avoided, white people are preferred for flat rentals, etc; your ignorance doesn't mean they're not discriminated. Vietnamese children in the same class are usually the better students in the class; you must mistake that for something else. Vietnamese community has different problem, called "banana" - yellow outside, white inside - i.e. they integrate too well. Just like the Greeks did ;) > The fact that people here don't even distinguish between Vietnamese and other Asian nationalities speaks for itself too. It doesn't; one race usually cannot distinguish minor differences on other races. For example, Asians cannot distinguish person of Czech, Italian or Swedish descent, but that is trivial for other whites. Same thing from other side of the table. > The story of Romani people is also way more complex than you make it out, I know it is not trivial, and it will stay that way, while there are activists making good money while "they are trying to help". For now, the only improvements were made by those Roma members, who integrated with majority community. Yes, it is difficult for them to sever connections to community that is dragging them down, I know. So it remains resource drain for years to come without any result. > BTW one would think that the petty crimes the Romani people are associated with would be more acceptable than large scale drug dealing associated with the Vietnamese - but who would look for logic in racism. Employ the logic then: most people won't be aware of drug dealing, but they will notice very well, when they are on the receiving end of petty crime. > Arabs are perceived negatively because they're associated with Islam, True > which is associated with terrorism False. Terrorism is West's problem, not East's. For now. It is more related to historical experiences, when Ottomans tried to conquer them. Another thing is the problems they brought to Western Europe. Establishing no-go zones, enforcing Sharia or having political and social demands that the majority population has to fulfill for them are not acceptable, it is just continuing the expansion using other means. So they get the picture: don't let them in, there won't be any problems then. > Many Arabs are Christians or atheists but that doesn't stop people from immediately labelling them as terrorists and ostracizing them from services, jobs, flat rentals, etc based on their skin color. Women in a hijab or burka are often attacked, as if every Arab woman had bombs under her clothing. Not in these countries, though. Despite urban legends and manufactured problems, that activists tried to push to show how these people are "racist". > should they "start on their end", and why? How do you think would people in Arabic country react to traditionally dressed christian woman? What would happen to her? (I do have stories...) So if you want to be treated certain way, make sure do you as you preach. Behave in your country to foreigners the same way, as you want be treated abroad. This is not one-way street. > Racism is so bad here (CZ, SK, PL, ...) that it has its place in the parliament and senate. Conflating conservative parties who want to preserve their cultural identity with racism is pushing it too far. > The biggest problem are not the rural-living low income racists, but people like you who spread (normalizing it) how they're so tolerant and thus not racist I see liberal youngster with purely academic knowledge, without much practical experience there. No, your passive-aggresive blaming won't get you far. > More generally, as long as people think about individuals in terms of groups connected by bodily features, place of birth, etc there will be a problem You may want to deny it, but shared culture does have an impact on behavior. For example, Arabs are one of these cultures, who highly values theirs. It is their right to do so, and I don't see any reason why other cultures should be denied the same. We want to treat them equally, right? > not just racism but nationalism too (please tell me how Ukrainians are good only for manual labor...). Ukrainians have it very difficult in general, not just in CZ/SK/PL. They come to EU countries, because they have more opportunities there than in their home country. So do Serbs. (For other readers: these two nationalities are abused by multinationals, who bus them into manufacturing plants located in eastern-EU countries. They get the advantage of cheap workforce from poor countries, while having the plants inside EU jurisdiction). I don't see what the CZ/SK/PL citizens have to do with this, except being pissed of by having their wages pushed down even further by wage dumping. > I am white, the only thing to do on my end is reducing the racist attitude of other white people. I suggest spending some time in Asia, Middle East/Magreb and Latin America to be able to compare and contrast how racist the white people in CZ/SK/PL really are.

emteycz 6y ago
Sorry but this is just rambling around while you simply went around the main points, e.g. what past experiences with Arab people? The fact is that Slovakia is extremely bad place for Arabs due to racism = people attacking people based on assumptions they got based on their skin color, so it's no wonder they want to go to Germany or somewhere else where they won't be attacked and a community of their people is established. Invoking Ottoman Empire is really funny, I'm pretty sure nobody remembers it, and as you said yourself people actually weren't hostile towards Arabs just two decades ago, so it's probably not because of Ottomans. BTW speaking about "Eastern European experts helping them" is also funny, as these countries were more technologically and societally advanced than Eastern Europe was in the 70s and 80s; this is a story the communist government told you, not the truth. Many places in ME are often significantly Christian so it's no wonder they don't react to traditionally dressed women in any way, of course it varies by place though, it's true there are places where being Christian is bad. What this tells me is that your standard of behavior is countries with non-free theocratic governments, that's what you compare Slovakia with? Lol. One would think that a free democratic country would never lessen itself to this. Slovakia has a lot of growing up to do, pointing fingers and saying "they're bad too" is not a grown up thing to do (sarcastically remarking "and they kill niggers in America" is how we make fun of this attitude here). > Not in these countries, though. Despite urban legends and manufactured problems, that activists tried to push to show how these people are "racist". Don't lie, I've seen it personally multiple times in Prague, Bratislava, Hradec Kralove, and many other towns - even if I was just visiting it was rather easy to see a scene like that, don't tell me I was so lucky I was there the ONE TIME it happened.
- vetinari 6y ago
  Ok, so you don't have any answer except misdirection. > so it's no wonder they want to go to Germany or somewhere else where they won't be attacked. They want to go to Germany, because the welfare in Germany is higher than average wage in EE. That's it. They get more money, easier. > you spew bullshit Nice and thoughtful rebuttal of my points. Where did you learn to discuss like that? > As these places are often significantly Christian Some of them. Others are not. I've yet to see a budhist attack a christian. Or vice-versa. That's because they are not and never were treat to each other. > What this tells me is that your standard of behavior is countries with non-free theocratic governments, Like, for example, Arab countries? Which of them are not theocratic? Even if some of them in the past dared not to be (like some of the regimes of 80's), movements like Muslim Brotherhood appeared. Can you point out similar movements in other religions or nations? Appearance of such movements means, that the issue is not even the governments, but goes much deeper. > free democratic country would never lessen itself to this. Free democratic does not mean stupid.

emteycz 6y ago

Sorry but this is just rambling around while you simply went around the main points, e.g. what past experiences with Arab people? The fact is that Slovakia is extremely bad place for Arabs due to racism = people attacking people based on assumptions they got based on their skin color, so it's no wonder they want to go to Germany or somewhere else where they won't be attacked and a community of their people is established. Invoking Ottoman Empire is really funny, I'm pretty sure nobody remembers it, and as you said yourself people actually weren't hostile towards Arabs just two decades ago, so it's probably not because of Ottomans. BTW speaking about "Eastern European experts helping them" is also funny, as these countries were more technologically and societally advanced than Eastern Europe was in the 70s and 80s; this is a story the communist government told you, not the truth. Many places in ME are often significantly Christian so it's no wonder they don't react to traditionally dressed women in any way, of course it varies by place though, it's true there are places where being Christian is bad. What this tells me is that your standard of behavior is countries with non-free theocratic governments, that's what you compare Slovakia with? Lol. One would think that a free democratic country would never lessen itself to this. Slovakia has a lot of growing up to do, pointing fingers and saying "they're bad too" is not a grown up thing to do (sarcastically remarking "and they kill niggers in America" is how we make fun of this attitude here). > Not in these countries, though. Despite urban legends and manufactured problems, that activists tried to push to show how these people are "racist". Don't lie, I've seen it personally multiple times in Prague, Bratislava, Hradec Kralove, and many other towns - even if I was just visiting it was rather easy to see a scene like that, don't tell me I was so lucky I was there the ONE TIME it happened.

vetinari 6y ago
Ok, so you don't have any answer except misdirection. > so it's no wonder they want to go to Germany or somewhere else where they won't be attacked. They want to go to Germany, because the welfare in Germany is higher than average wage in EE. That's it. They get more money, easier. > you spew bullshit Nice and thoughtful rebuttal of my points. Where did you learn to discuss like that? > As these places are often significantly Christian Some of them. Others are not. I've yet to see a budhist attack a christian. Or vice-versa. That's because they are not and never were treat to each other. > What this tells me is that your standard of behavior is countries with non-free theocratic governments, Like, for example, Arab countries? Which of them are not theocratic? Even if some of them in the past dared not to be (like some of the regimes of 80's), movements like Muslim Brotherhood appeared. Can you point out similar movements in other religions or nations? Appearance of such movements means, that the issue is not even the governments, but goes much deeper. > free democratic country would never lessen itself to this. Free democratic does not mean stupid.