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FWIW (at least in tech industry), apparently the automated filtering systems are a myth spread by companies who make money on the promise to optimize your resum

FWIW (at least in tech industry), apparently the automated filtering systems are a myth spread by companies who make money on the promise to optimize your resume to get past the filter. https://twitter.com/GergelyOrosz/status/1292909844886945792 https://twitter.com/GergelyOrosz/status/1292909844886945792 (The OP of the tweet was an engineering manager in several big tech companies, wrote The Software Engineer’s Guidebook last year, and talked with many recruiters in the process)

asdf123qwer 6y ago
>(at least in tech industry), apparently the automated filtering systems are a myth Sounds like horseshit. There's no shortage of graduates in tech, on top of graduates of various "bootcamps", as everyone and their dog has been telling young people they just need to "learn to code!" and they'll have a luxurious, joyous future.
Taylor_OD 6y ago
I don't know if there are automated filtering systems that will send a rejection email in place but I know as a manager who used LinkedIn job posts I had what was basically a, "qualified" and then a "not qualified/spam" folder for applications. New applications were auto sorted into one or the other depending on their resume/linkedin profile/some other factors I was not aware of. I could still find those profiles but it was auto filtering the candidates it thought were relevant and those that were not. To at least some extend these types of automated filtering systems do exists. I don't know why recruiters/manager say they do not.
aspaceman 6y ago
Huh? This directly disagrees with my experience. I believe this person is mistaken. Resumes are always filtered before they hit my desk, I just never even knew the filter happened. Apparently they toss out a huge amount. Reading this tweet in depth disagrees with a lot of my experience in Fortune 500 tech companies. Can’t figure out the misunderstanding.
- zippergz 6y ago
  If you never knew it happened, how do you... know it happened? I can't conclusively say one way or the other. I have been a hiring manager at a F500 tech company and have never seen direct evidence of any automatic filtering or rejections. Anyone speaking with complete confidence in either direction needs to bring actual evidence...
  - aspaceman 6y ago
    As in, my managers always talked about their piles being “presorted by HR” which was just code for a computer did it. I never thought some well paid HR person was actually sorting through those, but maybe I guess. There’s no evidence to bring? Like, in the case of bunch of people bringing personal anecdotes you can still create a sense of truth without evidence Christ.
    - zippergz 6y ago
      The companies I worked at had sourcers and resume screeners who did exactly that. Mostly but not all contractors. Not necessarily well-paid, but humans nonetheless.
- twic 6y ago
  jakub_g refers to the claim that "automated filtering systems are a myth". That doesn't mean that HR aren't filtering them manually.
wu_187 6y ago
I talked to a recruiter for a three letter company, and they told me that they actively search for keywords on people's resumes and the applications that most apply to the role. This would in fact be considered filtering. Now I don't know if the software they use (brassring) automatically "suggests" applicants (which would imply automated filtering) or not.
SharpeDidntFoul 6y ago
I paid someone $250 to get my resume past ATS systems, it worked.
- TurkishPoptart 6y ago
  Care to share the service/company?
  - 13of40 6y ago
    Reminds me of that old trick: Pay me $100 and I'll cast a spell to get you accepted to university. Your money back if it doesn't work.
- luma 6y ago
  And what would have happened if you hadn't?

asdf123qwer 6y ago

>(at least in tech industry), apparently the automated filtering systems are a myth Sounds like horseshit. There's no shortage of graduates in tech, on top of graduates of various "bootcamps", as everyone and their dog has been telling young people they just need to "learn to code!" and they'll have a luxurious, joyous future.

Taylor_OD 6y ago

I don't know if there are automated filtering systems that will send a rejection email in place but I know as a manager who used LinkedIn job posts I had what was basically a, "qualified" and then a "not qualified/spam" folder for applications. New applications were auto sorted into one or the other depending on their resume/linkedin profile/some other factors I was not aware of. I could still find those profiles but it was auto filtering the candidates it thought were relevant and those that were not. To at least some extend these types of automated filtering systems do exists. I don't know why recruiters/manager say they do not.

aspaceman 6y ago

Huh? This directly disagrees with my experience. I believe this person is mistaken. Resumes are always filtered before they hit my desk, I just never even knew the filter happened. Apparently they toss out a huge amount. Reading this tweet in depth disagrees with a lot of my experience in Fortune 500 tech companies. Can’t figure out the misunderstanding.

zippergz 6y ago
If you never knew it happened, how do you... know it happened? I can't conclusively say one way or the other. I have been a hiring manager at a F500 tech company and have never seen direct evidence of any automatic filtering or rejections. Anyone speaking with complete confidence in either direction needs to bring actual evidence...
- aspaceman 6y ago
  As in, my managers always talked about their piles being “presorted by HR” which was just code for a computer did it. I never thought some well paid HR person was actually sorting through those, but maybe I guess. There’s no evidence to bring? Like, in the case of bunch of people bringing personal anecdotes you can still create a sense of truth without evidence Christ.
  - zippergz 6y ago
    The companies I worked at had sourcers and resume screeners who did exactly that. Mostly but not all contractors. Not necessarily well-paid, but humans nonetheless.
twic 6y ago
jakub_g refers to the claim that "automated filtering systems are a myth". That doesn't mean that HR aren't filtering them manually.

wu_187 6y ago

I talked to a recruiter for a three letter company, and they told me that they actively search for keywords on people's resumes and the applications that most apply to the role. This would in fact be considered filtering. Now I don't know if the software they use (brassring) automatically "suggests" applicants (which would imply automated filtering) or not.

SharpeDidntFoul 6y ago

I paid someone $250 to get my resume past ATS systems, it worked.

TurkishPoptart 6y ago
Care to share the service/company?
- 13of40 6y ago
  Reminds me of that old trick: Pay me $100 and I'll cast a spell to get you accepted to university. Your money back if it doesn't work.
luma 6y ago
And what would have happened if you hadn't?