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I think Loeb's meta-argument is that the peer-review process is tilted towards discounting arguments that include the possibility of extraterrestrial life. You

I think Loeb's meta-argument is that the peer-review process is tilted towards discounting arguments that include the possibility of extraterrestrial life. You can't really have discussions about how the peer-review process should work within the peer-review process. And moreover, since society at large is providing the resources for our science, they should have some visibility and input into how those resources are spent. I say this as a scientist who generally thinks (at least my field's) peer review works pretty well, so to be clear I'm not saying this to discount expert opinion. You can feel free to disagree with Loeb's points, but I dislike the characterization that some part of this process is "invalid" (bullying) or that communicating with the public is similarly invalid because it "steps around peer review". Even your comments disagreeing with Loeb's approach are part of the process by which science and society make progress, I just happen to disagree with them in this case.

XorNot 6y ago
Except the only reason he wants to have a meta-argument is because otherwise the main argument has no credibility. The only reason it exists is because the ET argument is weak. He has to discuss the peer-review process and call it unfair, because otherwise he'd have the problem that the most qualified people to analyze his arguments are all saying the same thing: that it's unconvincing.
- matthewdgreen 6y ago
  I've read some of the criticisms, and I'm not sure that I disagree with you. But let's be clear what "unconvincing" means: it means that there is a single object and hence very little data, and what data we have isn't impossible to explain with non-ET reasoning. There's definitely some weird and unexplained stuff here, and if the result of convincing society "hey there's an outside chance this is a non-natural object and we should make plans to look for and investigate future such objects" is that society ever-so-incrementally does that, we'll end up with more data than we'd have otherwise.

XorNot 6y ago

Except the only reason he wants to have a meta-argument is because otherwise the main argument has no credibility. The only reason it exists is because the ET argument is weak. He has to discuss the peer-review process and call it unfair, because otherwise he'd have the problem that the most qualified people to analyze his arguments are all saying the same thing: that it's unconvincing.

matthewdgreen 6y ago
I've read some of the criticisms, and I'm not sure that I disagree with you. But let's be clear what "unconvincing" means: it means that there is a single object and hence very little data, and what data we have isn't impossible to explain with non-ET reasoning. There's definitely some weird and unexplained stuff here, and if the result of convincing society "hey there's an outside chance this is a non-natural object and we should make plans to look for and investigate future such objects" is that society ever-so-incrementally does that, we'll end up with more data than we'd have otherwise.