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The BBC had a fairly objective review of data a few years back[1] I think at least a few things need to be understood/considered in the context of "farm murder
by themgt 6y ago
The BBC had a fairly objective review of data a few years back[1]
I think at least a few things need to be understood/considered in the context of "farm murders". There's been a growing movement from the EFF/ANC for "expropriation without compensation" of (primarily white-owned) farm land, so apart from any attacks there's a perception that the farmer's control of the land is illegitimate and must be taken by force.[2] Many of these attacks have also been horrifically violent, involving rape, prolonged torture, murder of children and the elderly, etc.[3][4]
'The white minority took our land. Enough is enough' - Julius Malema, EFF President and Commander-in-Chief
Lastly you need to think analogously to other countries - crime tends to be concentrated in poor, dense urban areas. For rural farmers to be murdered at a rate comparable to a dangerous inner city is extremely odd, and if you think the per-capita murder rate is closer to the high end of 150/100k vs. low end of 9/100k, you're talking about a level of ongoing violence seen almost nowhere else on earth.
Then separately there has been a recent/ongoing wave of violence against foreigners[5]:
A refugee from Democratic Republic of Congo told Human Rights Watch: “I was selling clothes on the street when nine South Africans carrying sjamboks and sticks came. They were beating people, shouting ‘You foreigners, go home! We don’t need you here! You are taking our jobs and money!’ I started to run away, but I was beaten, and my two bags of clothes were taken.”
In the US context this is difficult to comprehend since it's "black against black" xenophobia, but there's also the topic of racism against "coloureds" in South Africa. Perhaps one takeaway should be that Americans need to have a less parochial and US-centric understanding of other countries, which often have conflicts that don't smoothly map onto US politics and racial categorizations.
[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41807642 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41807642
[2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-49145347 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-49145347
[3] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-31/south-african-farm-murders/10013298?nw=0 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-31/south-african-farm-mu...
[4] https://www.news.com.au/world/africa/farmer-killings-farmers-tortured-and-killed-in-horrific-south-africa-raids/news-story/1aae3fe47328ada3b6a3d369675877df https://www.news.com.au/world/africa/farmer-killings-farmers...
[5] https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/09/17/south-africa-widespread-xenophobic-violence https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/09/17/south-africa-widespread-...
- vagrantJin 6y ago> The BBC had a fairly objective review of data a few years back This is analogus to me asking for objective data about Afganistan...from the US. I think you've missed my point entirely, either disregarding my concern for objectivity as invalid or you really do believe commonwealth countries, which are largely homogenous and/or majority white - are the best examples of objective views on a criminal/race driven murder in a majority black, African state. I will continue nonetheless to ask for objectivity. The call for expropriation without compensation isn't new nor is it growing. It's a regular part of South african political discourse since pre-1994. Nor is it a new concept, being a regular part of post war administration - see Post World War Japan[1], Korea and Taiwan for US involvement in land reform not dissimilar to South Africas land reform policy and make your own conclusion. > racism towards coloureds This comes off as grasping at straws. This would be national news. I would like to see evidence of this please.
- Chris2048 6y ago> This is analogus to me asking for objective data about Afganistan...from the US. They said objective review of data, not objective data. I would expect Americans are perfectly capable of objectively reviewing data about Afganistan. If you disagree, please provide evidence. > disregarding my concern for objectivity as invalid or you really do believe commonwealth countries, which are largely homogenous and/or majority white - are the best examples of objective views on a criminal/race driven murder in a majority black, African state Why not? Why does an analyst need to be black/African to be "objective"?