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We have emitted the Voyager gold plate and a Tesla car more recently. It could be a message, a test or alien waste, but all the one's dismissing the professor

by yawaworht1978 6y ago

We have emitted the Voyager gold plate and a Tesla car more recently. It could be a message, a test or alien waste, but all the one's dismissing the professor have not explained the acceleration and cha ge of trajectory in a satisfying or convincing manner. People really think the guy is financially desperate to cash in with a kookie book?

ceejayoz 6y ago
> all the one's dismissing the professor have not explained the acceleration and cha ge of trajectory in a satisfying or convincing manner I find the explanations pretty convincing. https://www.spaceflightinsider.com/missions/solar-system/increase-in-oumuamuas-speed-through-the-solar-system-reveals-it-to-be-a-comet/ https://www.spaceflightinsider.com/missions/solar-system/inc... > Davide Farnocchia of the Center for Near-Earth Object Studies (CNEOS) at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, California, recognized ‘Oumuamua’s increased speed and altered path as consistent with the actions of comets, which eject gas and dust as they approach the Sun. These jets of ejected material increase the comets’ speeds by giving them a slight push. > People really think the guy is financially desperate to cash in with a kookie book? "People are often willing to lie for money" seems like a claim with a lot more evidence behind it.
- andrewflnr 6y ago
  Without observing any outgassing, that explanation is only slightly less suppositional than the artificial one.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    Outgassing is a known phenomenon. Alien probes are not, thus far.
    - andrewflnr 6y ago
      Hence the "slightly less", not "equally".
gus_massa 6y ago
It's difficult to know because I never meet the guy so I have to speculate with the available information[1]. I think he is doing this for the fame, not for the money, but I don't think he is lying on purpose to get fame or money. <speculation> After year and year of hard work improving details of solar sails in papers that only a bunch of specialist read, he made a paper about 'Oumuamua because it was a hot subject at the time and that is good to get your paper published and citations. His specialty was solar sails, so he added the solar sail hypothesis and some calculations. It got more traction than he expected, so he become famous. Not as famous as Madonna, but much more famous than most astronomers [2]. Fame is a hell of a drug. He is probably convinced that the alien possibility is worth exploring, but it's very easy to self deceive. The paper got in the news for some time, but it was fading away, and a book is a good reason to get coverage again.</speculation> [1] Perhaps he knows because he is an alien? [2] Can you name an astronomer that is alive?
wombatmobile 6y ago
> People really think the guy is financially desperate to cash in with a kookie book? “We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are.” — Anaïs Nin
Chris2048 6y ago
> all the one's dismissing the professor have not explained the acceleration and change of trajectory This is the "God of the gaps" argument[0] - "Alien of the gaps". "Aliens" is also in need of explanation, more-so than an unexplained acceleration. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps

ceejayoz 6y ago

> all the one's dismissing the professor have not explained the acceleration and cha ge of trajectory in a satisfying or convincing manner I find the explanations pretty convincing. https://www.spaceflightinsider.com/missions/solar-system/increase-in-oumuamuas-speed-through-the-solar-system-reveals-it-to-be-a-comet/ https://www.spaceflightinsider.com/missions/solar-system/inc... > Davide Farnocchia of the Center for Near-Earth Object Studies (CNEOS) at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, California, recognized ‘Oumuamua’s increased speed and altered path as consistent with the actions of comets, which eject gas and dust as they approach the Sun. These jets of ejected material increase the comets’ speeds by giving them a slight push. > People really think the guy is financially desperate to cash in with a kookie book? "People are often willing to lie for money" seems like a claim with a lot more evidence behind it.

andrewflnr 6y ago
Without observing any outgassing, that explanation is only slightly less suppositional than the artificial one.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  Outgassing is a known phenomenon. Alien probes are not, thus far.
  - andrewflnr 6y ago
    Hence the "slightly less", not "equally".

gus_massa 6y ago

It's difficult to know because I never meet the guy so I have to speculate with the available information[1]. I think he is doing this for the fame, not for the money, but I don't think he is lying on purpose to get fame or money. <speculation> After year and year of hard work improving details of solar sails in papers that only a bunch of specialist read, he made a paper about 'Oumuamua because it was a hot subject at the time and that is good to get your paper published and citations. His specialty was solar sails, so he added the solar sail hypothesis and some calculations. It got more traction than he expected, so he become famous. Not as famous as Madonna, but much more famous than most astronomers [2]. Fame is a hell of a drug. He is probably convinced that the alien possibility is worth exploring, but it's very easy to self deceive. The paper got in the news for some time, but it was fading away, and a book is a good reason to get coverage again.</speculation> [1] Perhaps he knows because he is an alien? [2] Can you name an astronomer that is alive?

wombatmobile 6y ago

> People really think the guy is financially desperate to cash in with a kookie book? “We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are.” — Anaïs Nin

Chris2048 6y ago

> all the one's dismissing the professor have not explained the acceleration and change of trajectory This is the "God of the gaps" argument[0] - "Alien of the gaps". "Aliens" is also in need of explanation, more-so than an unexplained acceleration. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps