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You’re right. How dare Microsoft abuses their monopoly and ships Windows with a clock in the taskbar! And why stop here? We should open the market for TCP impl

You’re right. How dare Microsoft abuses their monopoly and ships Windows with a clock in the taskbar! And why stop here? We should open the market for TCP implementations. The status quo is anti-competitive and stifles innovation!

bbarn 6y ago
Funny how Microsoft's including a useful tool for you know, getting on the internet, with their OS was the subject of an anti-trust suit just a few decades ago and now it's ok to force users to purchase all apps from the apple store, which takes 30% from every company wanting to sell an app on iOS.
- Ensorceled 6y ago
  Anti-trust has many fewer teeth that it used to.
pjc50 6y ago
I'm just about old enough to remember the versions of Windows which didn't ship with TCP and you had to install "Trumpet Winsock" to get on the Internet. This was silly. The key to understanding the browser case is that, as MS wanted it, it would have tied client and server and rich application development together, all of which would have necessitated Windows. IE was a threat because of ActiveX.
- fogihujy 6y ago
  It wasn't silly. It was third-party software which provided functionality that the OS simply lacked.
  - asiachick 6y ago
    agreed, I lived through those times, TCP/IP was not a thing, until it was. There was no reason for it to be in the OS until it actually became popular and therefor useful I used various competing systems before that in Windows/DOS
fogihujy 6y ago
> And why stop here? We should open the market for TCP implementations. _Re-open_. There were, indeed, commercial TCP/IP stacks available for various operating systems until the operating systems started including them. If we do a comparison with the browser situation, then it would be quite sufficient to allow people to install 3rd party TCP/IP stacks. Does Microsoft prevent that? I honestly don't know myself since I don't really use Windows. :D

bbarn 6y ago

Funny how Microsoft's including a useful tool for you know, getting on the internet, with their OS was the subject of an anti-trust suit just a few decades ago and now it's ok to force users to purchase all apps from the apple store, which takes 30% from every company wanting to sell an app on iOS.

Ensorceled 6y ago
Anti-trust has many fewer teeth that it used to.

pjc50 6y ago

I'm just about old enough to remember the versions of Windows which didn't ship with TCP and you had to install "Trumpet Winsock" to get on the Internet. This was silly. The key to understanding the browser case is that, as MS wanted it, it would have tied client and server and rich application development together, all of which would have necessitated Windows. IE was a threat because of ActiveX.

fogihujy 6y ago
It wasn't silly. It was third-party software which provided functionality that the OS simply lacked.
- asiachick 6y ago
  agreed, I lived through those times, TCP/IP was not a thing, until it was. There was no reason for it to be in the OS until it actually became popular and therefor useful I used various competing systems before that in Windows/DOS

fogihujy 6y ago

> And why stop here? We should open the market for TCP implementations. _Re-open_. There were, indeed, commercial TCP/IP stacks available for various operating systems until the operating systems started including them. If we do a comparison with the browser situation, then it would be quite sufficient to allow people to install 3rd party TCP/IP stacks. Does Microsoft prevent that? I honestly don't know myself since I don't really use Windows. :D