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Do things that dont scale. Most problems can be solved. The most difficult one is making ppl love your service. eg. gaining users.

by z3t4 6y ago

bigiain 6y ago
Parler has just demonstrated this problem specifically cannot always be (easily) solved later. By the time a noticeable subset of your users are doing things your investors/advertisers/hosting providers/app stores/mother would consider "deplorable", it's _way_ too late to be thinking "Yeah, maybe we should have built in some protection for ordinary users against griefers/trolls/russian and chinese misinformation campaigns." I'm not saying they need to do it right now, or that it's a more important thing than gaining users/traction right now, but it should without doubt be a thing that's very near the top of their list of "things we have considered and have vague plans to implement, that need to watch carefully for, and to have not painted ourselves into corners where our ideas about what we'll need to do to stamp it out no longer work any more..."
- saimiam 6y ago
  I feel this is a bit of a stretch. Parler was positioned as a free speech fundamentalist so it never stood a chance when it came time to moderate content to stay in the good books of its vendors. Otoh, seems to me that Tusk is "micro social" - a term I just invented - to socialize a page/concept amongst a smallish group of people. Unless that link leaks, how will the online trolls even find a page to tusk? And even if does, adding an auth layer on top of page tied to your identity should be relatively easy. FD - I am working on a "public" micro-social offering as well (info in profile) so how Tusk addresses this is of interest to me.
  - canadianfella 6y ago
    What is a Parler vendor?
- skinkestek 6y ago
  > "Yeah, maybe we should have built in some protection for ordinary users against griefers/trolls/russian and chinese misinformation campaigns." Parler was killed not because of that but because they didn't manage to protect themselves against the incumbents. Parler might have been awful, IDK, but both Facebook and Twitter has been really awful without being taken down. In fact the only place I've seen actual nazi content, e.g. "certain groups of people should be exterminated, what a shame Hitler died so early"-kind-of-comments without looking for it has been in Facebook comments.
  - ycombigator 6y ago
    Don't challenge the narrative, you'll get cancelled.
- ycombigator 6y ago
  No more so than Twitter.
afarrell 6y ago
Okay, what is the "thing that does not scale" which they are starting out with? There's a difference among: A) We are having someone in the company moderate this manually and gain insight into how we could do so scalably. B) We are outsourcing moderation and therefore not gaining insight into how to reduce the burden of that cost centre. C) We aren't worrying about that until later. D) We are building a fully-automated solution from the beginning.

Do things that dont scale. Most problems can be solved. The most difficult one is making ppl love your service. eg. gaining users.

by z3t4 6y ago

Do things that dont scale. Most problems can be solved. The most difficult one is making ppl love your service. eg. gaining users.

bigiain 6y ago

Parler has just demonstrated this problem specifically cannot always be (easily) solved later. By the time a noticeable subset of your users are doing things your investors/advertisers/hosting providers/app stores/mother would consider "deplorable", it's _way_ too late to be thinking "Yeah, maybe we should have built in some protection for ordinary users against griefers/trolls/russian and chinese misinformation campaigns." I'm not saying they need to do it right now, or that it's a more important thing than gaining users/traction right now, but it should without doubt be a thing that's very near the top of their list of "things we have considered and have vague plans to implement, that need to watch carefully for, and to have not painted ourselves into corners where our ideas about what we'll need to do to stamp it out no longer work any more..."

saimiam 6y ago
I feel this is a bit of a stretch. Parler was positioned as a free speech fundamentalist so it never stood a chance when it came time to moderate content to stay in the good books of its vendors. Otoh, seems to me that Tusk is "micro social" - a term I just invented - to socialize a page/concept amongst a smallish group of people. Unless that link leaks, how will the online trolls even find a page to tusk? And even if does, adding an auth layer on top of page tied to your identity should be relatively easy. FD - I am working on a "public" micro-social offering as well (info in profile) so how Tusk addresses this is of interest to me.
- canadianfella 6y ago
  What is a Parler vendor?
skinkestek 6y ago
> "Yeah, maybe we should have built in some protection for ordinary users against griefers/trolls/russian and chinese misinformation campaigns." Parler was killed not because of that but because they didn't manage to protect themselves against the incumbents. Parler might have been awful, IDK, but both Facebook and Twitter has been really awful without being taken down. In fact the only place I've seen actual nazi content, e.g. "certain groups of people should be exterminated, what a shame Hitler died so early"-kind-of-comments without looking for it has been in Facebook comments.
- ycombigator 6y ago
  Don't challenge the narrative, you'll get cancelled.
ycombigator 6y ago
No more so than Twitter.

afarrell 6y ago

Okay, what is the "thing that does not scale" which they are starting out with? There's a difference among: A) We are having someone in the company moderate this manually and gain insight into how we could do so scalably. B) We are outsourcing moderation and therefore not gaining insight into how to reduce the burden of that cost centre. C) We aren't worrying about that until later. D) We are building a fully-automated solution from the beginning.