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> Proprietary operating systems like Microsoft Windows 10, Apple MacOS, and Google Android have become famous for their ill conduct... I find it mildly ironic

> Proprietary operating systems like Microsoft Windows 10, Apple MacOS, and Google Android have become famous for their ill conduct... I find it mildly ironic that MacOS was based on BSD.

jmspring 6y ago
You mean like adding systemd and snaps ... that make it harder to run a system in a deterministic manner with easy security updates, etc?
- dralley 6y ago
  I'd really like to hear your explanation for how systemd is "harder to make deterministic" than piles upon piles of init scripts.
- georgyo 6y ago
  Snaps, flatpak, and similar containerized package distribution are all trying to build an app store to monetize software distribution. And an attempt to get a software distribution method gain popularity across linux distribution lines. While I will never use these methods, and I think they are completely flawed ideas, I think the goal of them is a natural evolution of fragmented similar systems. The BSDs have the same problem as linux distributions. The open source BSDs share a lot of code but aren't quite the same. If several of them got very popular, someone would attempt to make a method to distribute software across all of them. Though in BSD this is harder because in linux land at least the kernel is standardized.
hyakosm 6y ago
MacOS is not based on BSD, it's an old legend. NeXTStep was designed to be "compatible" with 4.3BSD (the diagram on Wikipedia is wrong because of this confusion). Edit : source about compatibility on the last page : http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Docs/Developer/NeXT_Development_Tools.pdf http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Docs/Developer/NeXT_D...
- dralley 6y ago
  Many Mac OSX userspace utilities were forked from FreeBSD. It's true that the OS as a whole is not really a FreeBSD derivative, but there definitely is some shared code.
  - hyakosm 6y ago
    Yes, many OS forked code from FreeBSD, especially on the network stack.

> Proprietary operating systems like Microsoft Windows 10, Apple MacOS, and Google Android have become famous for their ill conduct... I find it mildly ironic that MacOS was based on BSD.

jmspring 6y ago

You mean like adding systemd and snaps ... that make it harder to run a system in a deterministic manner with easy security updates, etc?

dralley 6y ago
I'd really like to hear your explanation for how systemd is "harder to make deterministic" than piles upon piles of init scripts.
georgyo 6y ago
Snaps, flatpak, and similar containerized package distribution are all trying to build an app store to monetize software distribution. And an attempt to get a software distribution method gain popularity across linux distribution lines. While I will never use these methods, and I think they are completely flawed ideas, I think the goal of them is a natural evolution of fragmented similar systems. The BSDs have the same problem as linux distributions. The open source BSDs share a lot of code but aren't quite the same. If several of them got very popular, someone would attempt to make a method to distribute software across all of them. Though in BSD this is harder because in linux land at least the kernel is standardized.

hyakosm 6y ago

MacOS is not based on BSD, it's an old legend. NeXTStep was designed to be "compatible" with 4.3BSD (the diagram on Wikipedia is wrong because of this confusion). Edit : source about compatibility on the last page : http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Docs/Developer/NeXT_Development_Tools.pdf http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Docs/Developer/NeXT_D...

dralley 6y ago
Many Mac OSX userspace utilities were forked from FreeBSD. It's true that the OS as a whole is not really a FreeBSD derivative, but there definitely is some shared code.
- hyakosm 6y ago
  Yes, many OS forked code from FreeBSD, especially on the network stack.