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What happened in the last 8 years? In 2003 there was the war in Iraq. The fallout from that was probably the lowest trust I had in journalism at any point in my

What happened in the last 8 years? In 2003 there was the war in Iraq. The fallout from that was probably the lowest trust I had in journalism at any point in my life. I can't recall any significant events in the past 8 years that are even close to that failure.

DSingularity 6y ago
Thank you. I can’t believe how quickly people forget. Trump is the tip of the iceberg. The Iraq War. The plight of the Palestinians. Russians. Go look at the coverage of these issues, the bias and outright abandonment of facts — it’s disgusting and disgraceful.
AnthonyMouse 6y ago
Donald Trump happened in the last 8 years. He did two major things. First, he relentlessly attacked the media ("fake news") and regularly called them out on false or misleading stories. (Then the media regularly complained about him eroding their credibility, without admitting that his criticisms were often valid.) Second, he was incredibly good at manipulation. His signature move was to tell a big fat lie about an issue that he wanted everybody talking about and where his general position was a popular one. The media hated this, because their choices were to let him get away with the lie or to start a conversation about the issue Trump wanted everybody talking about. But then they let their hatred of him become so transparent in their coverage that it undermined their credibility.
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- concordDance 6y ago
  I really wish Trump hadn't made attacking fake news become associated with Trumpism. Makes it much harder for people to fight back against fake news without losing all credibility due to the association.
  - roenxi 6y ago
    All credibility with whom? The news media? They are always going to associate people who attack them with negative things. The right calls it fake news and the left calls it misinformation. Everyone has a rhetorical mechanism for attacking stories they think are factually incorrect.
  - snakeboy 6y ago
    Unfortunately this was Trump's impact on a few issues. Immigration immediately comes to mind.

DSingularity 6y ago

Thank you. I can’t believe how quickly people forget. Trump is the tip of the iceberg. The Iraq War. The plight of the Palestinians. Russians. Go look at the coverage of these issues, the bias and outright abandonment of facts — it’s disgusting and disgraceful.

AnthonyMouse 6y ago

Donald Trump happened in the last 8 years. He did two major things. First, he relentlessly attacked the media ("fake news") and regularly called them out on false or misleading stories. (Then the media regularly complained about him eroding their credibility, without admitting that his criticisms were often valid.) Second, he was incredibly good at manipulation. His signature move was to tell a big fat lie about an issue that he wanted everybody talking about and where his general position was a popular one. The media hated this, because their choices were to let him get away with the lie or to start a conversation about the issue Trump wanted everybody talking about. But then they let their hatred of him become so transparent in their coverage that it undermined their credibility.

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concordDance 6y ago
I really wish Trump hadn't made attacking fake news become associated with Trumpism. Makes it much harder for people to fight back against fake news without losing all credibility due to the association.
- roenxi 6y ago
  All credibility with whom? The news media? They are always going to associate people who attack them with negative things. The right calls it fake news and the left calls it misinformation. Everyone has a rhetorical mechanism for attacking stories they think are factually incorrect.
- snakeboy 6y ago
  Unfortunately this was Trump's impact on a few issues. Immigration immediately comes to mind.