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“ Most educated people believe that premier news outlets are inherently trustworthy.” Let’s stop right there. I think the last 8 years have shown the media to
by underseacables 6y ago
“ Most educated people believe that premier news outlets are inherently trustworthy.”
Let’s stop right there. I think the last 8 years have shown the media to have lost significant amounts of public trust. I would say that most educated people inherently believe that the media should not automatically receive benefit of the doubt any longer.
- markdown 6y ago> I would say that most educated people inherently believe that the media should not automatically receive benefit of the doubt any longer. Yup. These days I only get my news from The Daily Wire and Joe Rogan. I'm educated, and I just can't trust the lamestream media.
- saagarjha 6y agoPoe’s law is pretty strong here.
- slacka 6y agoIs this comment missing a /s? The Daily Wire is actual fake news, with a long track record of misinformation and poor quality content[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8]... While not perfect, NYT has a long track record of quality journalism that goes back hundreds of years, winning 130 Pulitzer Prizes. [1] https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-wire/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-wire/ [2] https://popular.info/p/facebook-allows-prominent-right-wing https://popular.info/p/facebook-allows-prominent-right-wing [3] https://www.thedailybeast.com/shadowy-right-wing-network-behind-ben-shapiros-facebook-success https://www.thedailybeast.com/shadowy-right-wing-network-beh... [4] https://www.factcheck.org/2017/04/carson-didnt-find-hud-errors/ https://www.factcheck.org/2017/04/carson-didnt-find-hud-erro... [5] https://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/scientists-we-know-what-really-causes-climate-james-barrett-the-daily-wire/ https://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/scientists-we-know-wh... [6] https://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/global-quackery-earth-not-warmed-past-19-years-new-study-finds-joseph-curl-the-daily-wire/ https://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/global-quackery-earth... [7] https://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/daily-wire-article-misunderstands-study-carbon-budget-along-fox-news-telegraph-daily-mail-breitbart-james-barrett/ https://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/daily-wire-article-mi... [8] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-mohammed-popular-name-netherlands/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-mohammed-popular-name-n...
- mcguire 6y agoYes, I believe that to be sarcasm.
- MattGaiser 6y agoI don't know. I know people who truly think that way.
- throwawaysea 6y agoIronically the Media Bias / Fact Check site you have linked also has a long track record of being arbitrary and reflecting the author’s opinions, basically. See what CJR wrote about them in the section titled “armchair academics” here: https://www.cjr.org/innovations/measure-media-bias-partisan.php https://www.cjr.org/innovations/measure-media-bias-partisan.... > [Media Bias / Fact Check’s] efforts suffer from the very problem they’re trying to address: Their subjective assessments leave room for human biases, or even simple inconsistencies, to creep in. Compared to Gentzkow and Shapiro, the five to 20 stories typically judged on these sites represent but a drop of mainstream news outlets’ production. I’m not a frequent reader of the Daily Wire but have read articles from time to time and haven’t found factuality issues any more so than other news sites. Glancing at their front page right now, nothing seemed obviously off. They have their own selection bias of stories they cover but that’s because they’re meant to be the answer to a lack of coverage of the same topics or same perspectives from traditional news media. EDIT: looks like you added more links. I don’t have time to go through them all but The Daily Beast and Popular Info (run by Judd Legum, formerly of Think Progress) have a strong left bias. As for the Snopes fact check you linked, it is authored by Bethania Palma who authored an embarrassingly bad fact check about AOC’s account of the Capitol riot recently (https://www.allsides.com/blog/media-bias-alert-snopes-fact-checks-subjective-opinion-aoc https://www.allsides.com/blog/media-bias-alert-snopes-fact-c...). It seems you’re listing out a mix of anecdotal examples and opinions from people who themselves have political bias reasons to discredit The Daily Wire.
- slacka 6y agoDiscounting the fact check, accusing the journalist as being biased because of who they worked for is intellectually lazy and a fallacious argument. If you had read the content, you'd see that the fact checks are accurate and well sourced. From the examples I listed and lack of retractions associated with them, it's clear that Daily Wire has no journalistic integrity. They are not in the same ballpark as NYT.
- branweb 6y agoyeah it's a questionable claim for sure. This was a widely cited poll that asserted for the first time ever, the majority of Americans mistrust the mainstream media: https://www.axios.com/media-trust-crisis-2bf0ec1c-00c0-4901-9069-e26b21c283a9.html https://www.axios.com/media-trust-crisis-2bf0ec1c-00c0-4901-... You'll note that trust varies widely by political party, with 18% of Republicans trusting the media vs 57% of Democrats. So the post in the op seems to equate "educated" with "democrat" perhaps. Even if that's valid (don't really have the facts to dispute it personally) 57% is nothing to brag about. Another interesting poll on this subject here: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/01/americans-main-sources-for-political-news-vary-by-party-and-age/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/01/americans-m..., which asked people what their political affiliation was and what their main source of news was. Of those that said Fox, 93% leaned Republican...no surprise there. But what's striking is that of those that said MSNBC, 95% leaned Democrat. The NYT, 91%. NPR, 87%! Kind of makes me wonder what the trust numbers would be if the media outlets weren't increasingly becoming echo chambers.
- Pils 6y ago> This was a widely cited poll that asserted for the first time ever, the majority of Americans mistrust the mainstream media A poll released by the largest PR firm in the world[0], famous for their work with Walmart, GEO Group, Keystone XL, etc. Why would the creators of "Working Families for Walmart" ever try to manufacture consent? One wonders. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edelman_(firm) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edelman_(firm)
- AnthonyMouse 6y agoReader distrusts media poll showing high distrust in media.
- wernercd 6y agoand more importantly... reader shows obvious bias against Walmart... I wonder if he works for Target? (Lesson: Random idiots on the idiot yelling at each other about who can't be trusted pushing "conspiracy theories" about "The Wallsmart" pushing polls and people who don't believe the polls and etc etc etc. Yes... I'm one of those random idiots.)
- peruvian 6y agoMedia has been fully untrustworthy since Operation Mockingbird.
- barbacoa 6y agoOperation mockingbird never ended. https://theintercept.com/2014/09/04/former-l-times-reporter-cleared-stories-cia-publication/ https://theintercept.com/2014/09/04/former-l-times-reporter-...
- ineedasername 6y agoThat article makes it look simply like journalists doing normal cultivation of sources and due diligence by runningg things by a major source as a secondary form of double checking their reporting. If I was a national security reporter I'd certainly tap contacts in the government to at least run things by them as part of my process, albeit with a a fair few grains if salt taken with anything they say.
- Judgmentality 6y agoYeah, I went into the article expecting some damning link where the CIA has been planting questionable information into major media pieces, instead it just sorta seemed like a handful of journalists being somewhat sloppy in talking to the CIA. There didn't seem to be any real substance to it.
- mcguire 6y agoIn the weirdest twist of the 21st century, it turns out that the postmodernists were right and that deconstruction is an important tool in every citizen's kit.
- pstuart 6y agoThe media has always been biased and plenty of mistakes have been made along the way (Hearst et al.) But I'm going to give more benefit of the doubt to organizations that ostensibly try to be neutral. In this media bias chart it's interesting that virtually all the most reliable reporting is either in the center or a bit to the left of it: https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart-2/ https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart-2... In the end it does require having multiple sources, and a willingness to not let one's own biases get in the way.
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago> In this media bias chart it's interesting that virtually all the most reliable reporting is either in the center or a bit to the left of it This is almost definitionally true given that "bias" and "unreliable" are approximately the same thing. Also notice that it isn't that the slightly right of center publications are more unreliable (Daily Mail being the exception), it's just that there aren't as many of them.
- dhbanes 6y ago8 years? I’m old enough to remember Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.
- confidantlake 6y agoWhat happened in the last 8 years? In 2003 there was the war in Iraq. The fallout from that was probably the lowest trust I had in journalism at any point in my life. I can't recall any significant events in the past 8 years that are even close to that failure.
- DSingularity 6y agoThank you. I can’t believe how quickly people forget. Trump is the tip of the iceberg. The Iraq War. The plight of the Palestinians. Russians. Go look at the coverage of these issues, the bias and outright abandonment of facts — it’s disgusting and disgraceful.
- AnthonyMouse 6y agoDonald Trump happened in the last 8 years. He did two major things. First, he relentlessly attacked the media ("fake news") and regularly called them out on false or misleading stories. (Then the media regularly complained about him eroding their credibility, without admitting that his criticisms were often valid.) Second, he was incredibly good at manipulation. His signature move was to tell a big fat lie about an issue that he wanted everybody talking about and where his general position was a popular one. The media hated this, because their choices were to let him get away with the lie or to start a conversation about the issue Trump wanted everybody talking about. But then they let their hatred of him become so transparent in their coverage that it undermined their credibility.
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- concordDance 6y agoI really wish Trump hadn't made attacking fake news become associated with Trumpism. Makes it much harder for people to fight back against fake news without losing all credibility due to the association.
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- redis_mlc 6y agoI go to cnn.com when I want to see the latest draft of "1984 v2.0". It's really that bad. Glenn Greenwald explained that when he asked his US journalist friends why they only parrot leftist narratives, they replied they had to or they'd lose their job and all their friends. One of the NY Times editors "resigned" because he said burning downtowns should be countered with the National Guard - in other words stopping an actual insurrection in progress for months. Where do you go from there? https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jun/07/new-york-times-editor-resigns-tom-cotton-oped-protests https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jun/07/new-york-times...
- lordloki 6y agoThe NY Times editor who "resigned" didn't say burning downtowns should be countered with the National Guard. He approved the publishing of an op-ed from a US Senator that approved of sending in the national guard. The editor was attacked for allowing "hate speech" in the paper and forced to resign.
- redis_mlc 6y agoHow is preventing arson, which is a capital crime, hate speech?
- ivan1783 6y agoI would also argue strongly against this. When you have at least once in your life been on the side of a news story where YOU generated the truth and you see it completely twisted into whatever narrative the news outlets are currently trying to push, all trust in these organizations is lost.