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A lot of what I use (including as a paying user), I use because I was able to start on a free tier and then upgrade as my needs grew. DaVinci Resolve, Sublime T

by prawn 6y ago

A lot of what I use (including as a paying user), I use because I was able to start on a free tier and then upgrade as my needs grew. DaVinci Resolve, Sublime Text, GSuite, WeTransfer, Dropbox, iCloud, Sequel Pro, etc. I didn't try Premier, Final Cut, various text editors or paid-only cloud services.

freddie_mercury 6y ago
The article talks about the costs, suggesting the net result is often bad. Basically they are saying, "Ignore end users online because they are only seeing and talking about one half of the equation." All you've done is essentially say, "I'm an end user online who only knows one half of the equation but you should ignore costs!" It just feels like a failure to engage with the point the article is actually making.
- prawn 6y ago
  I am involved with a number of products which range between paid-only, freemium and free, so I'm familiar with the pros/cons. I know both sides of the equation but was offering comment on one half. The author appears to have a freemium product in their portfolio, and acknowledges there can be reason for that. Countless established or major players (Dropbox, Basecamp, Trello, etc) seem to make use of the freemium angle. Suspect there's something in that and that a free tier is a necessary evil at times.
kccqzy 6y ago
Strange that you mention Final Cut. It's clear to me that the free, limited edition of Final Cut already exists by the name of iMovie. (This was after Final Cut Pro X, not 7.)
- prawn 6y ago
  I tried iMovie at some point but it was too limited to assess the featureset that would be required. DaVinci Resolve's free tier gives you basically everything short of 5K export, built-in noise reduction, and a couple of other things - easily proved itself indispensable so I happily upgraded. You also get some great forum help from high-end Resolve users that is relevant to those learning.
  - musicale 6y ago
    This supports the parent post and does not refute it. Although you may have been unsatisfied with iMovie, it is in fact the free tier of Final Cut Pro, much as GarageBand is the free tier of Logic. Interestingly enough, iMovie and GarageBand even have iPhone and iPad versions (though sadly there's no iPadOS version of FCP/Logic yet.) Though Final Cut Pro and Logic do run amazingly well on an M1 Mac mini.
    - jlbnjmn 6y ago
      > Although you may have been unsatisfied with iMovie, it is in fact the free tier of Final Cut Pro, much as GarageBand is the free tier of Logic. Are they though? I think of a free version as having the same interface and core functionality with locked features. Does iMovie have the same interface/menus/workflow as Final Cut now? These seem more like the "let's not dilute the product by repackaging some of the codebase into a mass market interface" versions. Admittedly I haven't used them in years but I do recall learning about non linear editing in premiere pro years ago and ditching iMovie for adobe in a flash. More recently I've gone the resolve route as well, even though I have active adobe subscriptions through with along with years of experience. I just don't like cloud dependent software.
      - musicale 6y ago
        > Does iMovie have the same interface/menus/workflow as Final Cut now? As I understand it, it was Final Cut Pro X that changed to be closer to iMovie; this was criticized at the time as Apple removed several features that had been in Final Cut Pro 7.
- easton 6y ago
  Or, alternatively, the 90 day fully featured free trial that you can renew by running the installer again. I'll buy it at some point, but for the one video I edit a year, $300 is pretty expensive to get the experience I had with iMovie '09. https://www.apple.com/final-cut-pro/trial/ https://www.apple.com/final-cut-pro/trial/
asiachick 6y ago
Premier has a 30 day free trial. Not saying that's as good as a free tier, just saying you can try it and decide whether $240 a year is worth it.

by prawn 6y ago

freddie_mercury 6y ago

The article talks about the costs, suggesting the net result is often bad. Basically they are saying, "Ignore end users online because they are only seeing and talking about one half of the equation." All you've done is essentially say, "I'm an end user online who only knows one half of the equation but you should ignore costs!" It just feels like a failure to engage with the point the article is actually making.

prawn 6y ago
I am involved with a number of products which range between paid-only, freemium and free, so I'm familiar with the pros/cons. I know both sides of the equation but was offering comment on one half. The author appears to have a freemium product in their portfolio, and acknowledges there can be reason for that. Countless established or major players (Dropbox, Basecamp, Trello, etc) seem to make use of the freemium angle. Suspect there's something in that and that a free tier is a necessary evil at times.

kccqzy 6y ago

Strange that you mention Final Cut. It's clear to me that the free, limited edition of Final Cut already exists by the name of iMovie. (This was after Final Cut Pro X, not 7.)

prawn 6y ago
I tried iMovie at some point but it was too limited to assess the featureset that would be required. DaVinci Resolve's free tier gives you basically everything short of 5K export, built-in noise reduction, and a couple of other things - easily proved itself indispensable so I happily upgraded. You also get some great forum help from high-end Resolve users that is relevant to those learning.
- musicale 6y ago
  This supports the parent post and does not refute it. Although you may have been unsatisfied with iMovie, it is in fact the free tier of Final Cut Pro, much as GarageBand is the free tier of Logic. Interestingly enough, iMovie and GarageBand even have iPhone and iPad versions (though sadly there's no iPadOS version of FCP/Logic yet.) Though Final Cut Pro and Logic do run amazingly well on an M1 Mac mini.
  - jlbnjmn 6y ago
    > Although you may have been unsatisfied with iMovie, it is in fact the free tier of Final Cut Pro, much as GarageBand is the free tier of Logic. Are they though? I think of a free version as having the same interface and core functionality with locked features. Does iMovie have the same interface/menus/workflow as Final Cut now? These seem more like the "let's not dilute the product by repackaging some of the codebase into a mass market interface" versions. Admittedly I haven't used them in years but I do recall learning about non linear editing in premiere pro years ago and ditching iMovie for adobe in a flash. More recently I've gone the resolve route as well, even though I have active adobe subscriptions through with along with years of experience. I just don't like cloud dependent software.
    - musicale 6y ago
      > Does iMovie have the same interface/menus/workflow as Final Cut now? As I understand it, it was Final Cut Pro X that changed to be closer to iMovie; this was criticized at the time as Apple removed several features that had been in Final Cut Pro 7.
easton 6y ago
Or, alternatively, the 90 day fully featured free trial that you can renew by running the installer again. I'll buy it at some point, but for the one video I edit a year, $300 is pretty expensive to get the experience I had with iMovie '09. https://www.apple.com/final-cut-pro/trial/ https://www.apple.com/final-cut-pro/trial/

asiachick 6y ago

Premier has a 30 day free trial. Not saying that's as good as a free tier, just saying you can try it and decide whether $240 a year is worth it.