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Critically, forgiveness follows repentance.

hprotagonist 6y ago
and cannot be demanded by the offender. We can reach easily to Isaiah to see what repentance looks like, too: 6 “Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and break every yoke? 7 Is it not to share your food with the hungry and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter— when you see the naked, to clothe them, and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood? 8 Then your light will break forth like the dawn, and your healing will quickly appear;
- dsrnewell 6y ago
  Right. But it can be demanded by the norms of society as a whole.
  - hprotagonist 6y ago
    Sure. I see a lot of burnt offerings from people with blood on their hands. I don’t see very much learning to do right or defending the orphans. Worth noting at the political level that people who do start making positive amends do actually get praised for it: here’s the extremely left NY Mag praising mitt romney: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/02/mitt-romney-child-allowance-covid-stimulus.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/02/mitt-romney-child-al... Nobody cares about hollow prattling. (If you are of the religious bent: God specifically doesn't care at all about mouthing off but doing nothing.) Trumpist enablers will be forgiven, more or less, round about the time they take positive steps towards reuniting babies with their parents and taking them out of cages. Take that cross and walk with it humbly and people will come around.
dsrnewell 6y ago
Right. At the societal level, forgiveness follows contrition and the rituals of repentance. But there are no such rituals that can lead to forgiveness now. That is the problem. Even when people seek forgiveness, are sincere, and do what they can, they are still not forgiven. On a personal level, we need to forgive everyone, for our own sakes.
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and cannot be demanded by the offender. We can reach easily to Isaiah to see what repentance looks like, too: 6 “Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and break every yoke? 7 Is it not to share your food with the hungry and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter— when you see the naked, to clothe them, and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood? 8 Then your light will break forth like the dawn, and your healing will quickly appear;

dsrnewell 6y ago
Right. But it can be demanded by the norms of society as a whole.
- hprotagonist 6y ago
  Sure. I see a lot of burnt offerings from people with blood on their hands. I don’t see very much learning to do right or defending the orphans. Worth noting at the political level that people who do start making positive amends do actually get praised for it: here’s the extremely left NY Mag praising mitt romney: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/02/mitt-romney-child-allowance-covid-stimulus.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/02/mitt-romney-child-al... Nobody cares about hollow prattling. (If you are of the religious bent: God specifically doesn't care at all about mouthing off but doing nothing.) Trumpist enablers will be forgiven, more or less, round about the time they take positive steps towards reuniting babies with their parents and taking them out of cages. Take that cross and walk with it humbly and people will come around.

dsrnewell 6y ago

Right. At the societal level, forgiveness follows contrition and the rituals of repentance. But there are no such rituals that can lead to forgiveness now. That is the problem. Even when people seek forgiveness, are sincere, and do what they can, they are still not forgiven. On a personal level, we need to forgive everyone, for our own sakes.

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