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Frontex is accused of doing pushbacks, meaning the large boats create waves that push the migrant boats back. In the linked Video Segment they had a German poli

Frontex is accused of doing pushbacks, meaning the large boats create waves that push the migrant boats back. In the linked Video Segment they had a German police offer testifying to that. The concern with Frontex investing into planes and drones rather than boats is seen as a strategy to control the border without needing to help the migrants. One other point that is mentioned is the „coast guard“ of Libya which Frontex allegedly cooperates with. That coast guard is accused of either not responding, or if they respond to torture and rape rescued people. One final problem, that even if one were to have proof of those atrocities, it is really hard to sue Frontex for misconduct, because you have to sue them to what’s equivalent of the EUs Supreme Court.

reitanqild 6y ago
The problem is, ironically, that the second best way to prevent migrants from drowning in the Mediterranean is to stop them from crossing. The first would be to set up ships to help them cross, which obviously isn't going to happen. So now smugglers and human traffickers have had field days (and years) smuggling people into Europe. All at an extreme cost: migrants are paying through their noses, getting abused along the route and they are drowning in the Mediterranean. All so Europeans can feel good about helping them instead of starting a massive campaign to inform everyone that: - immigrants will be flown right back - money saved will be used to help them where they re (ha ha, not going to happen with the politicians we vote for, but this is what I wish they would do) Let me be clear: I want to help those people. I'll happily see my taxes raised almost as much as I can bear to see it happen. We don't talk much about religion here but since this account isn't linked to my identity I'll admit my motives here: I believe in an afterlife, "heaven" to be more precise, and I believe that enjoying life here while not caring about others is a rather effective way to make myself ineligible for that. However moving everyone to Europe isn't sustainable way of fixing everyones problem, so for now I try to cut my luxuries and spend them on things that can help: - giving people in developing countries work - supporting Amnesty International (yes, I'm conflicted about this as they support the migration scam but I love their work in other areas) - spreading the gospel so more people might start to think like I outline above, hopefully creating a positive feedback loop.
blub 6y ago
OP was claiming that this article offers proof that Frontex is systematically breaking the law and that's what I was responding to. I am not familiar with all the wrongdoings that Frontex allgedly participates in, nor am I particularly interested in that topic. If they're doing illegal things, there should be no problems suing them, supreme courts or not. There's one thing that I'd like to address though: you said that Frontex wants to control the border(s) without helping migrants. The latter is not part of the mandate of any border protection agency that I know of, so it's no wonder they won't want to invest money into it.

reitanqild 6y ago

The problem is, ironically, that the second best way to prevent migrants from drowning in the Mediterranean is to stop them from crossing. The first would be to set up ships to help them cross, which obviously isn't going to happen. So now smugglers and human traffickers have had field days (and years) smuggling people into Europe. All at an extreme cost: migrants are paying through their noses, getting abused along the route and they are drowning in the Mediterranean. All so Europeans can feel good about helping them instead of starting a massive campaign to inform everyone that: - immigrants will be flown right back - money saved will be used to help them where they re (ha ha, not going to happen with the politicians we vote for, but this is what I wish they would do) Let me be clear: I want to help those people. I'll happily see my taxes raised almost as much as I can bear to see it happen. We don't talk much about religion here but since this account isn't linked to my identity I'll admit my motives here: I believe in an afterlife, "heaven" to be more precise, and I believe that enjoying life here while not caring about others is a rather effective way to make myself ineligible for that. However moving everyone to Europe isn't sustainable way of fixing everyones problem, so for now I try to cut my luxuries and spend them on things that can help: - giving people in developing countries work - supporting Amnesty International (yes, I'm conflicted about this as they support the migration scam but I love their work in other areas) - spreading the gospel so more people might start to think like I outline above, hopefully creating a positive feedback loop.

blub 6y ago

OP was claiming that this article offers proof that Frontex is systematically breaking the law and that's what I was responding to. I am not familiar with all the wrongdoings that Frontex allgedly participates in, nor am I particularly interested in that topic. If they're doing illegal things, there should be no problems suing them, supreme courts or not. There's one thing that I'd like to address though: you said that Frontex wants to control the border(s) without helping migrants. The latter is not part of the mandate of any border protection agency that I know of, so it's no wonder they won't want to invest money into it.