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> What are you talking about here? Some jurisdictions do not allow models under a certain b.m.i. to be commercially featured: https://www.euronews.com/2017/09

> What are you talking about here? Some jurisdictions do not allow models under a certain b.m.i. to be commercially featured: https://www.euronews.com/2017/09/06/counties-fighting-underweight-modelling https://www.euronews.com/2017/09/06/counties-fighting-underw... > Taking steroids and other activities related to bodybuilding and sports more generally can sure take their toll, but I'm pretty sure nobody has problems because of overly large muscles. They do, their low body fat can't support them and they suffer from a myriad of complications. Even if they had the body fat to support them, such as in many professional athletes, the strain to achieve them is not particularly healthy. > Source? https://abcnews.go.com/Health/legendary-bodybuilder-died-body-fat-lives/story?id=29899438 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/legendary-bodybuilder-died-bod... As the article says, professional body builders often go in the 3-to-5% body fat range, which is very unhealthy. > Aren't you contradicting your point now? Or maybe I misunderstood what your point is? Not at all; — I'm saying that “health” is but a convenient excuse to ban what the authoritarian considers not socially desirable, in this case for an ideal of beauty, whereas he is fine with letting stand that which he considers beautiful, no matter how unhealthy it might be.

nsajko 6y ago
About the Euronews link, I disagree with your conclusion. The mentioned laws are just red tape (for an explanation see my reply to pacaro here). The hard limits on BMI seem to come from industry self-regulation.
- Blikkentrekker 6y ago
  Let's assume that be the case. The politicians allow this nonsensical, pseudoscientific self-regulation instead of demanding that they switch to b.f.p., because they know well that it would outlaw body builders, which they do not want, despite their being as unhealthy. The industry came up with this method, of course, to allow bodybuilders to continue, and only having to cull the the hyperthin. It's a nice unspoken understanding between them that enables both to place the blame on the other. If the industry had found such a clever way to allow the hyperthin to still continue, one could be certain of that the politicians would step in to order a halt to it.
  - nsajko 6y ago
    I think you're hugely overestimating the politicians here, I doubt that even a significant proportion gives much thought to these issues ;)
    - Blikkentrekker 6y ago
      And thought woud suddenly be given if the industry's self-regulation found a way to permit the models they want to ban because they think them too ugly. Indeed, not much thought was given: they found certain models to look ugly because they were hyperthin, so they instinctively searched for a rationalization to ban them and selling it as something other than social control, and “health” is very often the first excuse to be reached for then.
  - watwut 6y ago
    Nah. Bodybuilders are fat by mbi. BMI is or was used also in context that where it literally harmed bodybuilders - by BMI they are fat. Politicians doing these decisions dont go too deep. BMI is widely know, easy to calculate metric everybody knows. And that is all there is to it.
    - Blikkentrekker 6y ago
      But the politicians aren't banning overweight models, only underweight models. I'm sure these same politicians have medical advisors, who advised them against using b.m.i. and also pointed out what I said here.
      - watwut 6y ago
        > I'm sure these same politicians have medical advisors, who advised them against using b.m.i. and also pointed out what I said here. Body builders, especially female body builders were completely irrelevant to discussion about fashion models. They were not the ones who were ever shown in those magazines. In terms of body shape, they are not actually thin despite having low fat. Female body builders are not contemporary beauty standard and never were.

nsajko 6y ago

About the Euronews link, I disagree with your conclusion. The mentioned laws are just red tape (for an explanation see my reply to pacaro here). The hard limits on BMI seem to come from industry self-regulation.

Blikkentrekker 6y ago
Let's assume that be the case. The politicians allow this nonsensical, pseudoscientific self-regulation instead of demanding that they switch to b.f.p., because they know well that it would outlaw body builders, which they do not want, despite their being as unhealthy. The industry came up with this method, of course, to allow bodybuilders to continue, and only having to cull the the hyperthin. It's a nice unspoken understanding between them that enables both to place the blame on the other. If the industry had found such a clever way to allow the hyperthin to still continue, one could be certain of that the politicians would step in to order a halt to it.
- nsajko 6y ago
  I think you're hugely overestimating the politicians here, I doubt that even a significant proportion gives much thought to these issues ;)
  - Blikkentrekker 6y ago
    And thought woud suddenly be given if the industry's self-regulation found a way to permit the models they want to ban because they think them too ugly. Indeed, not much thought was given: they found certain models to look ugly because they were hyperthin, so they instinctively searched for a rationalization to ban them and selling it as something other than social control, and “health” is very often the first excuse to be reached for then.
- watwut 6y ago
  Nah. Bodybuilders are fat by mbi. BMI is or was used also in context that where it literally harmed bodybuilders - by BMI they are fat. Politicians doing these decisions dont go too deep. BMI is widely know, easy to calculate metric everybody knows. And that is all there is to it.
  - Blikkentrekker 6y ago
    But the politicians aren't banning overweight models, only underweight models. I'm sure these same politicians have medical advisors, who advised them against using b.m.i. and also pointed out what I said here.
    - watwut 6y ago
      > I'm sure these same politicians have medical advisors, who advised them against using b.m.i. and also pointed out what I said here. Body builders, especially female body builders were completely irrelevant to discussion about fashion models. They were not the ones who were ever shown in those magazines. In terms of body shape, they are not actually thin despite having low fat. Female body builders are not contemporary beauty standard and never were.