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My reasoning is the following, and as someone who likes to do weight lifting I would love to be proved wrong: if steroids are not necessarily bad and we surely

My reasoning is the following, and as someone who likes to do weight lifting I would love to be proved wrong: if steroids are not necessarily bad and we surely know they work wonders how is it possible that, in a world obsessed with looks and moving so much money in all kind of (absurd) products, they have not been legally commercialized somehow.

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samatman 6y ago
We could ask this question about almost every substance which has been declared illegal. Indeed, we should. I don't use androgenic steroids, but I'm right on the cliff where natural levels start falling off, and once I'm over it, I will give it some serious consideration.
- linspace 6y ago
  I don't discard also using them in the future to some extent slow aging effects but it's hard to find good info.
  - kridsdale1 6y ago
    The Reddit community's Wiki is very good. https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index
DoreenMichele 6y ago
Vitamin D is technically a steroid, not a vitamin. You can also do nutritional support for hormone-producing organs in the body. Off the top of my head/anecdotally: Peanuts have proven to be good pituitary support (though they are pro-inflammatory and I have to limit them for that reason); good quality salt is important to the adrenals and adrenal support is important to thyroid health. I probably know more than that and haven't paid that much attention to hormones per se, so I imagine if this interests you, you could figure out a whole lot more from readily available information on the internet.
kofejnik 6y ago
Same as why vodka is legal but mdma isn't: deeply entrenched interests, on both sides. Listen, kids: All Steroids Are Bad, and anybody who disagrees is a Bad Person, and probably a criminal.
- linspace 6y ago
  But that is exactly my point: we have legalized lot of substances bad for health and yet we cannot buy steroids freely. Steroids have at least an upside compared to vodka.
kkielhofner 6y ago
They absolutely have been legally commercialized. In the United States (and presumably elsewhere) you can easily find a doctor who will legally prescribe you a host of steroids, growth hormones, and various other "anti-aging medications". My understanding is that many of them don't do bloodwork to test existing hormone levels and many that do use very liberal interpretations of what standard levels in men should be at a given age, etc. Think of the "pill mills" that lead to the opiod crisis where as long as you had the cash someone would write a prescription. Note that I'm not insinuating similar levels of risk or harm, merely pointing out the flexibility of medical ethics for some doctors in these areas. Use your favorite search engine and search "anti-aging clinic". They're in many US cities, available online, and a popular medical tourism destination. EDIT: I also suspect these kinds of medical "interventions" are prevalent in Hollywood and elsewhere. For example, Hugh Jackman in Wolverine. This guy was born in 1968, which puts him at ~44 years old during filming. Look at his physique as a 44 year old man and tell me that was just from broccoli and chicken (especially considering his physique in roles leading up to Wolverine). I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying that the chances that so many of these mid to late 40s Hollywood actors have a physique that would be excellent on a 20-25 year old isn't likely due to just freak genetics, diet, and hard work at the gym. Especially when the budgets of these films can easily exceed $100 million.
- robocat 6y ago
  > medical "interventions" are prevalent in Hollywood and elsewhere. For example, Hugh Jackman Another factor is that there is relentless competition from a huge number of people trying to become a famous star: severe filtering that will select for intensely driven people (amongst other attributes that would drive someone towards interventions).
tedunangst 6y ago
Just go to an "anti-aging" clinic and get testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). For $1000/month it's not hard to find a doctor who will find your test is low (below 95th percentile of a 25 year old man).
porb121 6y ago
there are lots of anabolic agents that should absolutely be controlled. trenbolone and other 19-nor substances are neurotoxic and thrash your internal organs. fatburners like clenbuterol or dnp are uh, not good. insulin (which is massively anabolic, btw) can kill you very easily if you mis-time your meals. growth hormone enlarges organs at supraphysiological doses

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samatman 6y ago

We could ask this question about almost every substance which has been declared illegal. Indeed, we should. I don't use androgenic steroids, but I'm right on the cliff where natural levels start falling off, and once I'm over it, I will give it some serious consideration.

linspace 6y ago
I don't discard also using them in the future to some extent slow aging effects but it's hard to find good info.
- kridsdale1 6y ago
  The Reddit community's Wiki is very good. https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index

DoreenMichele 6y ago

Vitamin D is technically a steroid, not a vitamin. You can also do nutritional support for hormone-producing organs in the body. Off the top of my head/anecdotally: Peanuts have proven to be good pituitary support (though they are pro-inflammatory and I have to limit them for that reason); good quality salt is important to the adrenals and adrenal support is important to thyroid health. I probably know more than that and haven't paid that much attention to hormones per se, so I imagine if this interests you, you could figure out a whole lot more from readily available information on the internet.

kofejnik 6y ago

Same as why vodka is legal but mdma isn't: deeply entrenched interests, on both sides. Listen, kids: All Steroids Are Bad, and anybody who disagrees is a Bad Person, and probably a criminal.

linspace 6y ago
But that is exactly my point: we have legalized lot of substances bad for health and yet we cannot buy steroids freely. Steroids have at least an upside compared to vodka.

kkielhofner 6y ago

They absolutely have been legally commercialized. In the United States (and presumably elsewhere) you can easily find a doctor who will legally prescribe you a host of steroids, growth hormones, and various other "anti-aging medications". My understanding is that many of them don't do bloodwork to test existing hormone levels and many that do use very liberal interpretations of what standard levels in men should be at a given age, etc. Think of the "pill mills" that lead to the opiod crisis where as long as you had the cash someone would write a prescription. Note that I'm not insinuating similar levels of risk or harm, merely pointing out the flexibility of medical ethics for some doctors in these areas. Use your favorite search engine and search "anti-aging clinic". They're in many US cities, available online, and a popular medical tourism destination. EDIT: I also suspect these kinds of medical "interventions" are prevalent in Hollywood and elsewhere. For example, Hugh Jackman in Wolverine. This guy was born in 1968, which puts him at ~44 years old during filming. Look at his physique as a 44 year old man and tell me that was just from broccoli and chicken (especially considering his physique in roles leading up to Wolverine). I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying that the chances that so many of these mid to late 40s Hollywood actors have a physique that would be excellent on a 20-25 year old isn't likely due to just freak genetics, diet, and hard work at the gym. Especially when the budgets of these films can easily exceed $100 million.

robocat 6y ago
> medical "interventions" are prevalent in Hollywood and elsewhere. For example, Hugh Jackman Another factor is that there is relentless competition from a huge number of people trying to become a famous star: severe filtering that will select for intensely driven people (amongst other attributes that would drive someone towards interventions).

tedunangst 6y ago

Just go to an "anti-aging" clinic and get testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). For $1000/month it's not hard to find a doctor who will find your test is low (below 95th percentile of a 25 year old man).

porb121 6y ago

there are lots of anabolic agents that should absolutely be controlled. trenbolone and other 19-nor substances are neurotoxic and thrash your internal organs. fatburners like clenbuterol or dnp are uh, not good. insulin (which is massively anabolic, btw) can kill you very easily if you mis-time your meals. growth hormone enlarges organs at supraphysiological doses