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Sometimes you have to look at what somebody says, and not how they say it. I personally wouldn't have approached the trolls the way Zed did, but he was right th

by compay 15y ago

Sometimes you have to look at what somebody says, and not how they say it. I personally wouldn't have approached the trolls the way Zed did, but he was right that this was broken and needed to be fixed. Github did a great job - as far as I can tell they handled things professionally and cranked out a fix in just a few days. Everybody wins (except the trolls).

endlessvoid94 15y ago
I do not agree. You can't simply ignore HOW somebody says something. How you say something almost more important than what you say. If Zed hadn't written a blog post detailing how he fucked everything up (in all his greatness, apparently) it wouldn't have gotten such exposure and would likely have died out. He had to make his point with a hammer or it wouldn't have mattered. And it's unfortunate that it took a hammer to make the point. I'd even go so far as to say this feature isn't actually all that important. Zed Shaw just MADE it important.
- catch23 15y ago
  You still have to admit that zed went through a lot of trouble just to stop the harassment. I'd probably make a blog post too if the harassment went on for as long as it did for zed.
- zedshaw 15y ago
  > If Zed hadn't written a blog post detailing how he fucked everything up (in all his greatness, apparently) it wouldn't have gotten such exposure and would likely have died out. Can you explain where in my blog post I claim I'm great? I think all I did was explain what was happening and how this was someone who bothered me in the past and followed me to github, and then there was nothing I could do about it.
  - endlessvoid94 15y ago
    I guess I figured it was implied. With your influence, you totally could've emailed the github guys and voice your concerns privately. Instead, you chose to do your own thing and publicize it and how awesomely you pwned the dude. And then you claimed it was all to improve the github experience. Cmon.
    - zedshaw 15y ago
      So, you basically were stirring up drama by exaggerating what I said for effect, yet I'm the drama queen and attention whore. Next time, actually read what I write instead of just imagining you read it after seeing a stream of tweets and your buddies on reddit tell it to you 4th person in some comments. For example, I didn't contact github because I knew one of the peole working there was in on the joke. If you read what I wrote you would have known that, idiot.
      - deleted 15y ago
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      - rycole 15y ago
        You sure do enjoy referring to yourself as a queen, don't you? Hrm.
      - Locke1689 15y ago
        Hey Zed, I appreciate your hyperbolic writing style and I think the point you made was well thought out and well presented the first time, but this kind of mudslinging just isn't necessary. Just take the high road on this comment.
      - pjhyett 15y ago
        > For example, I didn't contact github because I knew one of the peole working there was in on the joke. For the record, this isn't true no matter how many times you repeat it. You should have emailed us and we would have taken care of it without a holiday weekend filled with unnecessary drama.
        jasonlotito 15y ago
        > For the record, this isn't true no matter how many times you repeat it. What it looks like from an outsider: He said, (s)he said. I don't know if Zed is right. I don't know if you are right. What I do know is Zed Shaw ranted and got stuff fixed. Apparently, their was some merit to what he was saying, and at least the majority of his story can confirmed to be true. As for the employee, it's just as easy for you to be misinformed or simply ignorant of the truth as it is for Zed to be wrong. No malice, just mistaken.
  - rimantas 15y ago
    > Can you explain where in my blog post I claim I'm great? Maybe people still remember this: http://web.archive.org/web/20090218021137/http://zedshaw.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/20090218021137/http://zedshaw.com... Sure you try to mask it as an attempt to be funny, but even if "it’s all an act" that acts make the person. Now I am off to http://bellard.org/ http://bellard.org/ to clean my mind a bit.
    - wazoox 15y ago
      Come on, admit that Zed is funny with style. He's bragging, too, but it's never condescending. That's the difference between a gentleman and dandy, and an ugly troll.
      - rimantas 15y ago
        No, I won't admit that. His writing just makes me sad.
        eropple 15y ago
        Grow a sense of humor.
        rimantas 15y ago
        You know, I grew in the society which had a lot of problems and a consequence grew a very good sense of humor (and that without laugh tracks). If someone thinks that Zed's writing is funny they still have a lot to discover.
        wazoox 15y ago
        I'm sorry for you. Many of his rants made me laugh to tears. And more generally, did "Learning Python the hard way" make you sad, really ?
        rimantas 15y ago
        No need to be sad. I enjoy humor a lot, only not the Zed's kind. I did not ready LPTHW, but might some day :)

by compay 15y ago

endlessvoid94 15y ago

I do not agree. You can't simply ignore HOW somebody says something. How you say something almost more important than what you say. If Zed hadn't written a blog post detailing how he fucked everything up (in all his greatness, apparently) it wouldn't have gotten such exposure and would likely have died out. He had to make his point with a hammer or it wouldn't have mattered. And it's unfortunate that it took a hammer to make the point. I'd even go so far as to say this feature isn't actually all that important. Zed Shaw just MADE it important.

catch23 15y ago
You still have to admit that zed went through a lot of trouble just to stop the harassment. I'd probably make a blog post too if the harassment went on for as long as it did for zed.
zedshaw 15y ago
> If Zed hadn't written a blog post detailing how he fucked everything up (in all his greatness, apparently) it wouldn't have gotten such exposure and would likely have died out. Can you explain where in my blog post I claim I'm great? I think all I did was explain what was happening and how this was someone who bothered me in the past and followed me to github, and then there was nothing I could do about it.
- endlessvoid94 15y ago
  I guess I figured it was implied. With your influence, you totally could've emailed the github guys and voice your concerns privately. Instead, you chose to do your own thing and publicize it and how awesomely you pwned the dude. And then you claimed it was all to improve the github experience. Cmon.
  - zedshaw 15y ago
    So, you basically were stirring up drama by exaggerating what I said for effect, yet I'm the drama queen and attention whore. Next time, actually read what I write instead of just imagining you read it after seeing a stream of tweets and your buddies on reddit tell it to you 4th person in some comments. For example, I didn't contact github because I knew one of the peole working there was in on the joke. If you read what I wrote you would have known that, idiot.
    - deleted 15y ago
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    - rycole 15y ago
      You sure do enjoy referring to yourself as a queen, don't you? Hrm.
    - Locke1689 15y ago
      Hey Zed, I appreciate your hyperbolic writing style and I think the point you made was well thought out and well presented the first time, but this kind of mudslinging just isn't necessary. Just take the high road on this comment.
    - pjhyett 15y ago
      > For example, I didn't contact github because I knew one of the peole working there was in on the joke. For the record, this isn't true no matter how many times you repeat it. You should have emailed us and we would have taken care of it without a holiday weekend filled with unnecessary drama.
      - jasonlotito 15y ago
        > For the record, this isn't true no matter how many times you repeat it. What it looks like from an outsider: He said, (s)he said. I don't know if Zed is right. I don't know if you are right. What I do know is Zed Shaw ranted and got stuff fixed. Apparently, their was some merit to what he was saying, and at least the majority of his story can confirmed to be true. As for the employee, it's just as easy for you to be misinformed or simply ignorant of the truth as it is for Zed to be wrong. No malice, just mistaken.
- rimantas 15y ago
  > Can you explain where in my blog post I claim I'm great? Maybe people still remember this: http://web.archive.org/web/20090218021137/http://zedshaw.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/20090218021137/http://zedshaw.com... Sure you try to mask it as an attempt to be funny, but even if "it’s all an act" that acts make the person. Now I am off to http://bellard.org/ http://bellard.org/ to clean my mind a bit.
  - wazoox 15y ago
    Come on, admit that Zed is funny with style. He's bragging, too, but it's never condescending. That's the difference between a gentleman and dandy, and an ugly troll.
    - rimantas 15y ago
      No, I won't admit that. His writing just makes me sad.
      - eropple 15y ago
        Grow a sense of humor.
        rimantas 15y ago
        You know, I grew in the society which had a lot of problems and a consequence grew a very good sense of humor (and that without laugh tracks). If someone thinks that Zed's writing is funny they still have a lot to discover.
      - wazoox 15y ago
        I'm sorry for you. Many of his rants made me laugh to tears. And more generally, did "Learning Python the hard way" make you sad, really ?
        rimantas 15y ago
        No need to be sad. I enjoy humor a lot, only not the Zed's kind. I did not ready LPTHW, but might some day :)