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Those are all historically true, but after reading through them I see no causal or factual link between the article being discussed and the list provided.

LordDragonfang 6y ago
Just a month ago people stormed the capitol carrying the flag of traitors to the state who rebelled over the fear they might no longer be able to own black people as slaves. It's not historical, there are still plenty of (white, male[1]) people in this country who would still support things like that. [1]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/...
- disposekinetics 6y ago
  I accept that, this is still unrelated to the article.
  - LordDragonfang 6y ago
    At what point does "this country has a lot of foundational issues with racism and specifically white supremacy in politics" become relevant to an article about politics? This point is that the kind of people that are accepting "bribes", as the author calls them, are overwhelmingly white men. Yes, you could say that that's just be because the majority of appointees to relevant positions are white. But that author is implicitly pointing out that maybe the fact that they're mostly white is actually relevant to the discussion.
    - wpietri 6y ago
      Definitely. If anything has unique features, it's worth asking if there's some relationship. The strain of white supremacy running through America's history is willing to do absolutely anything to maintain power. Things like the Wilmington Coup and the Tulsa Race Massacre and all of the Jim Crow violence make that very clear. It's possible that has absolutely nothing to do with America's legalized bribery. But if somebody wants to make that claim, they're going to have to argue it. It isn't a given. And given that the Citizens United decision, which legalized even more bribery, was supported by the judges appointed by the much whiter party, they're going to have to bring a fair bit of evidence to it.
wpietri 6y ago
The subject of the article is legalized corruption in the American power structure. The person I'm replying to said, "why bring race into this". I explained why whiteness is a central fact of the American power structure, and maintaining white dominance one of its key activities.

LordDragonfang 6y ago

Just a month ago people stormed the capitol carrying the flag of traitors to the state who rebelled over the fear they might no longer be able to own black people as slaves. It's not historical, there are still plenty of (white, male[1]) people in this country who would still support things like that. [1]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/...

disposekinetics 6y ago
I accept that, this is still unrelated to the article.
- LordDragonfang 6y ago
  At what point does "this country has a lot of foundational issues with racism and specifically white supremacy in politics" become relevant to an article about politics? This point is that the kind of people that are accepting "bribes", as the author calls them, are overwhelmingly white men. Yes, you could say that that's just be because the majority of appointees to relevant positions are white. But that author is implicitly pointing out that maybe the fact that they're mostly white is actually relevant to the discussion.
  - wpietri 6y ago
    Definitely. If anything has unique features, it's worth asking if there's some relationship. The strain of white supremacy running through America's history is willing to do absolutely anything to maintain power. Things like the Wilmington Coup and the Tulsa Race Massacre and all of the Jim Crow violence make that very clear. It's possible that has absolutely nothing to do with America's legalized bribery. But if somebody wants to make that claim, they're going to have to argue it. It isn't a given. And given that the Citizens United decision, which legalized even more bribery, was supported by the judges appointed by the much whiter party, they're going to have to bring a fair bit of evidence to it.

wpietri 6y ago

The subject of the article is legalized corruption in the American power structure. The person I'm replying to said, "why bring race into this". I explained why whiteness is a central fact of the American power structure, and maintaining white dominance one of its key activities.