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There are no visas for refugees. Most of Europe indeed has very progressive law regarding the asylum, but very hypocritical enforcement practice - you can get

by oytis 6y ago

There are no visas for refugees. Most of Europe indeed has very progressive law regarding the asylum, but very hypocritical enforcement practice - you can get a refuge or at least a permission to stay for a prolonged time once you get across the border (even "illegally"), but a lot of people are going to try to stop you from doing that. So basically what Frontex does is protecting Europe from legal obligations that Europe voluntary committed to. What's even more dangerous, it's not under control of any single European government, so control over it by human rights activists and through political means is complicated.

blub 6y ago
The people coming in aren't playing fair: many are not refugees and are transiting safe countries (including EU countries) to apply for asylum in their favorite country. It's understandable that they're desperate, but the EU doesn't have to accept that. Of course there's a lot of people trying to stop them, because what those migrants are doing is not according to the spirit of the asylum laws and it's threatening to seriously harm the social harmony of the countries receiving them. A significant number of EU citizens do not want migration from outside of the EU, unless the EU benefits (highly-educated specialists, etc) and those people integrate into their host countries. This conflict has been smouldering within Western Europe in particular for many years and I have the feeling that tensions have been rising strongly in the past years.
vetinari 6y ago
As a refugee, you don't get to shop for a country where you want to immigrate. You get the asylum in the first safe one, and only until the danger is present. While you are there, you can of course ask different countries to grant you immigration visa, but then you don't do that as refugee anymore, since you have been already granted protection in the first safe country. So no, Frontex is not protecting Europe from legal obligations; it is protecting Europe from abusing and misrepresenting them by activists.

by oytis 6y ago

blub 6y ago

The people coming in aren't playing fair: many are not refugees and are transiting safe countries (including EU countries) to apply for asylum in their favorite country. It's understandable that they're desperate, but the EU doesn't have to accept that. Of course there's a lot of people trying to stop them, because what those migrants are doing is not according to the spirit of the asylum laws and it's threatening to seriously harm the social harmony of the countries receiving them. A significant number of EU citizens do not want migration from outside of the EU, unless the EU benefits (highly-educated specialists, etc) and those people integrate into their host countries. This conflict has been smouldering within Western Europe in particular for many years and I have the feeling that tensions have been rising strongly in the past years.

vetinari 6y ago

As a refugee, you don't get to shop for a country where you want to immigrate. You get the asylum in the first safe one, and only until the danger is present. While you are there, you can of course ask different countries to grant you immigration visa, but then you don't do that as refugee anymore, since you have been already granted protection in the first safe country. So no, Frontex is not protecting Europe from legal obligations; it is protecting Europe from abusing and misrepresenting them by activists.