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Yes, living in Slovakia can be as bad as living in a refugee camp even for Slovak citizens. It's rather obvious that people want to have better life, not the sa

Yes, living in Slovakia can be as bad as living in a refugee camp even for Slovak citizens. It's rather obvious that people want to have better life, not the same they had - especially given Slovakian attitude towards non-white people.

vetinari 6y ago
So what do you know about Slovakian attitude towards non-white people?
- emteycz 6y ago
  Mostly everything - I live in the region. Slovakian people, similarly to Czech people (my own birthplace) are very unhappy about non-white people. Many of them are openly racist, thankfully that's slowly improving, but I still wouldn't want to be non-white here. It's better in the capital cities but even there you'll get weird looks and verbal attacks. Physical attacks are not unheard of outside the capitals.
  - vetinari 6y ago
    I've spend significant time in this region; I have a family there. There is a large Vietnamese community in these countries, well, since the Vietnam War. They are obviously non-white and they are not discriminated in any way. Do you know why? Because they are working hard, they encourage their kids to get good education, they don't abuse the social system and they don't get involved in petty crime. These things result in the majority population not having predominantly negative experience with them. Then there the Roma minority, which behaves in exact opposite way. This is not problem only in Czechia and Slovakia; the experience is same in the entire Eastern and South Europe, for exactly the same reason. So obviously it is not race problem. It is behavioral problem, other people not liking being abused and being careful about that. If you want to solve it, start on your end.
    - emteycz 6y ago
      Yes, I know these excuses - people around me are parroting them daily. You've just proven the racism I am speaking about, and why Slovakia (or Czechia, Poland, etc) is really bad place for Arabs. Vietnamese are tolerated because they are perceived to work hard. That is racism, and it still leads to negative outcomes - for example dating a Vietnamese is often considered bad, people are still trying to not have children in the same classes as Vietnamese children, Vietnamese medical professionals are avoided, white people are preferred for flat rentals, etc; your ignorance doesn't mean they're not discriminated. The fact that people here don't even distinguish between Vietnamese and other Asian nationalities speaks for itself too. The story of Romani people is also way more complex than you make it out, start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_in_Czechoslovakia#Attempts_at_integration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_in_Czechoslovaki... BTW one would think that the petty crimes the Romani people are associated with would be more acceptable than large scale drug dealing associated with the Vietnamese - but who would look for logic in racism. Arabs are perceived negatively because they're associated with Islam, which is associated with terrorism - even though the only terrorist attack that ever happened around here was carried out by a white supremacist. Many Arabs are Christians or atheists but that doesn't stop people from immediately labelling them as terrorists and ostracizing them from services, jobs, flat rentals, etc based on their skin color. Women in a hijab or burka are often attacked, as if every Arab woman had bombs under her clothing. Tell me please, what did they do to justify this, and how should they "start on their end", and why? Racism is so bad here (CZ, SK, PL, ...) that it has its place in the parliament and senate. The biggest problem are not the rural-living low income racists, but people like you who spread (normalizing it) how they're so tolerant and thus not racist - the truth is that even if you thought about a person positively based on their race it's still racism. More generally, as long as people think about individuals in terms of groups connected by bodily features, place of birth, etc there will be a problem - and there is a huge problem in Slovakia, not just racism but nationalism too (please tell me how Ukrainians are good only for manual labor...). I am white, the only thing to do on my end is reducing the racist attitude of other white people. It's funny that you spoke about abuse in that same sentence, btw.
      - vetinari 6y ago

vetinari 6y ago

So what do you know about Slovakian attitude towards non-white people?

emteycz 6y ago
Mostly everything - I live in the region. Slovakian people, similarly to Czech people (my own birthplace) are very unhappy about non-white people. Many of them are openly racist, thankfully that's slowly improving, but I still wouldn't want to be non-white here. It's better in the capital cities but even there you'll get weird looks and verbal attacks. Physical attacks are not unheard of outside the capitals.
- vetinari 6y ago
  I've spend significant time in this region; I have a family there. There is a large Vietnamese community in these countries, well, since the Vietnam War. They are obviously non-white and they are not discriminated in any way. Do you know why? Because they are working hard, they encourage their kids to get good education, they don't abuse the social system and they don't get involved in petty crime. These things result in the majority population not having predominantly negative experience with them. Then there the Roma minority, which behaves in exact opposite way. This is not problem only in Czechia and Slovakia; the experience is same in the entire Eastern and South Europe, for exactly the same reason. So obviously it is not race problem. It is behavioral problem, other people not liking being abused and being careful about that. If you want to solve it, start on your end.
  - emteycz 6y ago
    Yes, I know these excuses - people around me are parroting them daily. You've just proven the racism I am speaking about, and why Slovakia (or Czechia, Poland, etc) is really bad place for Arabs. Vietnamese are tolerated because they are perceived to work hard. That is racism, and it still leads to negative outcomes - for example dating a Vietnamese is often considered bad, people are still trying to not have children in the same classes as Vietnamese children, Vietnamese medical professionals are avoided, white people are preferred for flat rentals, etc; your ignorance doesn't mean they're not discriminated. The fact that people here don't even distinguish between Vietnamese and other Asian nationalities speaks for itself too. The story of Romani people is also way more complex than you make it out, start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_in_Czechoslovakia#Attempts_at_integration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_in_Czechoslovaki... BTW one would think that the petty crimes the Romani people are associated with would be more acceptable than large scale drug dealing associated with the Vietnamese - but who would look for logic in racism. Arabs are perceived negatively because they're associated with Islam, which is associated with terrorism - even though the only terrorist attack that ever happened around here was carried out by a white supremacist. Many Arabs are Christians or atheists but that doesn't stop people from immediately labelling them as terrorists and ostracizing them from services, jobs, flat rentals, etc based on their skin color. Women in a hijab or burka are often attacked, as if every Arab woman had bombs under her clothing. Tell me please, what did they do to justify this, and how should they "start on their end", and why? Racism is so bad here (CZ, SK, PL, ...) that it has its place in the parliament and senate. The biggest problem are not the rural-living low income racists, but people like you who spread (normalizing it) how they're so tolerant and thus not racist - the truth is that even if you thought about a person positively based on their race it's still racism. More generally, as long as people think about individuals in terms of groups connected by bodily features, place of birth, etc there will be a problem - and there is a huge problem in Slovakia, not just racism but nationalism too (please tell me how Ukrainians are good only for manual labor...). I am white, the only thing to do on my end is reducing the racist attitude of other white people. It's funny that you spoke about abuse in that same sentence, btw.
    - vetinari 6y ago