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Agree with this - my step-son is 18 and wouldn't even consider going to a nightclub regardless of Covid. For his generation it seems to be standard to find a ho

Agree with this - my step-son is 18 and wouldn't even consider going to a nightclub regardless of Covid. For his generation it seems to be standard to find a house where the parents are away for the weekend and invite everybody + their dog down. Nightclubs aren't even on their radar, which is very different to when I was 18.

dbbk 6y ago
This is just anecdotal. On the whole clubs are just as popular with young people as they have ever been.
icefo 6y ago
I'm 5 year older and I agree. You can also have a lot more fun by mixing board games / (drinking) card games / beer pongs in the same party. It's becoming pretty common to know a few amateur DJs / music creators and if you have some decent speakers they happily mix for a part of the night. When they're done it's back to DJ ipod. There is also plenty of raves where I live. I feel the atmosphere is much more enjoyable there than in night clubs
- TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
  90s clubs grew out of a similar scene. Many started as informal house parties, then grew into warehouse parties and field raves, and eventually that generated enough money for a permanent base and/or an official festival and/or supporting merch and other outlets. (Music labels, merch sales, boho restaurants and bars...) There was a real startup-like scene around this in the 90s in Europe. You actually need impressive organisational, networking, and marketing talent to make a warehouse or field rave happen. The festivals this spawned eventually turned into gigantic multi-stage events with the latest audio, VJ, laser, and other tech. Unless Covid restrictions become permanent, I'd expect a similar cycle to repeat, although perhaps with different properties. (Empty shopping malls? Maybe even empty office blocks?)
izacus 6y ago
But that might just be because there he's in a different subculture. The clubbers were never the majority of population and there was also always a "bar crowd", "park drinking crowd" (not so much in US I guess), "home party crowd", etc. etc.
randycupertino 6y ago
When I was 15 I had a fake ID to go to the 18 & Over nights at the local beach club.
closeparen 6y ago
House parties are cheap and don’t necessarily require any fake IDs, just somebody’s older sibling or friend to make the liquor store trip. Things shifted towards bars and nightclubs with my friends when people got older, started making money, and started living among yuppies and even families rather than more party-tolerant student housing.
- laurent92 6y ago
  ...Things shifted when we all moved to cities for work, international travel, our flats became 30 square meters large and we were “unrooted” = not having the social fabric to know someone who has a house. Best case, we’d rent something from AirBnb for NYE in the mountains. Things stayed in bars until we started having our own houses, so between 20 and 35-40... The problem of “unrooting” (emigrating, being nomad and torn from the social fabric) is a serious civilizational issue, similar to when workers in XVIIIth were poorer than farmers of the same social level, because they had no land if things went bad.

dbbk 6y ago

This is just anecdotal. On the whole clubs are just as popular with young people as they have ever been.

icefo 6y ago

I'm 5 year older and I agree. You can also have a lot more fun by mixing board games / (drinking) card games / beer pongs in the same party. It's becoming pretty common to know a few amateur DJs / music creators and if you have some decent speakers they happily mix for a part of the night. When they're done it's back to DJ ipod. There is also plenty of raves where I live. I feel the atmosphere is much more enjoyable there than in night clubs

TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
90s clubs grew out of a similar scene. Many started as informal house parties, then grew into warehouse parties and field raves, and eventually that generated enough money for a permanent base and/or an official festival and/or supporting merch and other outlets. (Music labels, merch sales, boho restaurants and bars...) There was a real startup-like scene around this in the 90s in Europe. You actually need impressive organisational, networking, and marketing talent to make a warehouse or field rave happen. The festivals this spawned eventually turned into gigantic multi-stage events with the latest audio, VJ, laser, and other tech. Unless Covid restrictions become permanent, I'd expect a similar cycle to repeat, although perhaps with different properties. (Empty shopping malls? Maybe even empty office blocks?)

izacus 6y ago

But that might just be because there he's in a different subculture. The clubbers were never the majority of population and there was also always a "bar crowd", "park drinking crowd" (not so much in US I guess), "home party crowd", etc. etc.

randycupertino 6y ago

When I was 15 I had a fake ID to go to the 18 & Over nights at the local beach club.

closeparen 6y ago

House parties are cheap and don’t necessarily require any fake IDs, just somebody’s older sibling or friend to make the liquor store trip. Things shifted towards bars and nightclubs with my friends when people got older, started making money, and started living among yuppies and even families rather than more party-tolerant student housing.

laurent92 6y ago
...Things shifted when we all moved to cities for work, international travel, our flats became 30 square meters large and we were “unrooted” = not having the social fabric to know someone who has a house. Best case, we’d rent something from AirBnb for NYE in the mountains. Things stayed in bars until we started having our own houses, so between 20 and 35-40... The problem of “unrooting” (emigrating, being nomad and torn from the social fabric) is a serious civilizational issue, similar to when workers in XVIIIth were poorer than farmers of the same social level, because they had no land if things went bad.