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Google open sourcing voice and video engine for the web
- reustle 15y agoNot long until I'll be able to video chat on my Android via Google Talk, woo!
- natrius 15y agoThis is already possible on Gingerbread phones.
- drivebyacct2 15y agoActually the GTalk update that was released with 2.3.4 uses Neon-specific code rather than the actual video API that Google wrote themselves. It makes no sense and it's the reason that GTalk doesn't have video chat on other Gingerbread phones.
- dave1010uk 15y agoI didn't know Android doesn't have video chat with Google Talk yet. That seems strange, considering some Nokia phones have it built in: http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/02/02/gtalk-video-chat-is-possible-on-the-n900/ http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/02/02/gtalk-video-chat-is-po...
- r00fus 15y agoApple, where is the Facetime open spec that you promised? Google may just beat them to the punch.
- baconface 15y agodoes Apple really intend to do this?
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- drivebyacct2 15y agoSteve said they would be making it an open standard the day or the day after the announcement. We're here months later with nothing to show for it.
- kjksf 15y agoActually, it was very clear. Jobs promised, in no uncertain words, that Apple will make Facetime an open standard. I remember that well, I was quite excited about that. He lied and I'm quite surprised that virtually no one gave Apple the hard time they deserve for lying during a keynote speech. To quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FaceTime http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FaceTime: "Upon the launch of the iPhone 4, Jobs promised that Apple would work in due course with standards bodies to make the FaceTime protocol an "open standard." As of May 2011, it is not yet known to have been ratified by any standards body, and the extent of work by Apple with regards to this promise is unclear as Apple has not released technical specifications for the service. FaceTime is not currently supported on any non-Apple devices."
- lpgauth 15y agoI wouldn't be surprised if it was a patent problem...
- ugh 15y agoLikely not a lie, rather a broken promise.
- bane 15y agoIf I recall correctly, this was also back when Apple was tooting the "standards are the wave of the future" horn pretty loudly during their short war with Adobe. Now that that is more or less over, Apple is back to not really caring about it because frankly, most people have forgotten already.
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- c_t_montgomery 15y agoI'm not sure if they intend to or not, but who knows - wwdc is coming up, and this may be perfect timing for them to strike back.
- jmreid 15y agoApparently, the FaceTime team wasn't aware that it was to be made an open standard until Steve said it on stage: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/05/11/facetime-standard http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/05/11/facetime-standar...
- dave1010uk 15y agoJust found the slide listing the "standards" FaceTime uses [1]: H.264, AAC, SIP, STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP and SRTP. From the list, the only thing left for someone else to integrate with FT would be friend management and presence (online status). Something like Jabber could probably handle this bit pretty well. [1] http://ugc.kontain.com/photo/20100607/prod_519da669-212a-414e-85ff-b0c18289d2e3/tb_640x480.jpg http://ugc.kontain.com/photo/20100607/prod_519da669-212a-414...
- zmmmmm 15y agoIs this Google's response to MS purchasing skype? Seems like the classic strategy of commoditizing your competitor's business (and they get a 2-for-1 deal since Apple is also wielding FaceTime).
- baconface 15y agogreat point. I think a major reason MS bought skype was integrate it with kinect, which somewhat mitigates this.
- rryan 15y agoHm, I don't think so. This post is dated May 3rd, which predates the Skype deal's announcement by 7 days. Also, the WhatWG group for RTC's mailing list was first posted to April 12, 2011. So that potentially indicates this was in the works beforehand. Since Google purportedly put in a bid for Skype they no-doubt knew Skype was on the market, though. I would guess this is more likely a response to FaceTime. Apple's core business is around getting people to buy iPhones, and FaceTime is exclusive to the iPhone and other Apple products.
- TuxPirate 15y agoWe can also see the project's creation time on http://code.google.com/p/webrtc/updates/list http://code.google.com/p/webrtc/updates/list, Jan 27 2011
- rdtsc 15y agoThere is an IETF realtime-web working group : http://tools.ietf.org/wg/rtcweb/charters http://tools.ietf.org/wg/rtcweb/charters and this is part of Google's involvement with that. However the original question is still valid, as this release might have been accelerated quite a bit because MS bought Skype.
- yblokhin 15y agoFinally we know what's going with iLBC codec. For more than a year it's been in a limbo.
- cdibona 15y agoYep, sorry about that. You can still use the old code under the old license, but you can also use it under the new (and more permissive and favorable) license.
- angusgr 15y agoDoes anyone have any ideas what the timeline for browser support is likely to be? The website currently says they've been working closely with Mozilla and we expect to see WebRTC support in Firefox and Chrome soon!.
- dblock 15y agoOne way to decimate adversaries is to open-source your entire competitive advantage. Unfortunately that only works when you’re the market leader. So nobody cares about open-sourcing WebRTC. Something that would be actually noticeable in this field right now would be Microsoft that open-sources Skype and gives everything away under the BSD license.
- bad_user 15y agoSo nobody cares about open-sourcing WebRTC Except the people that would want to use it? Think of Chatroulette. Something that would be actually noticeable in this field right now would be Microsoft that open-sources Skype Noticeable yes, but useful, not really. What would be useful is for Skype to become a standard that allows interoperability with other services and protocols, such that you could build a client, like a website, that would allow users with a GTalk account to video-call Skype users. Now that would be something.
- car 15y agoVery nice, thank you Google. Glancing over the API docs, I'm not clear what will be used for signaling. It appears to be based on XMPP/Jingle, am I right? What about SIP?
- walexander 15y agoFrom the FAQ: Builds on the strength of the web browser: WebRTC abstracts signaling by offering a signaling state machine that maps directly to PeerConnection. Web developers can therefore choose the protocol of choice for their usage scenario (for example, but not limited to: SIP, XMPP/Jingle, etc...).
- odiroot 15y agoSo is this another segment of HTML5 block or a completely novel idea? It looks like a <device> element with streaming but they don't mention it at all.
- jbk 15y agoHow do iLBC and iSAC compare to the (also open source) Celt, Silk and Opus (Silk+Celt) codecs?
- tobylane 15y agoIf Pidgin (the cross platform IM framework that Adium/others use) doesn't get this, I'll be sad/grumpy.
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- chopsueyar 15y agoGood work, Microsoft! Embrace and extend.
- zokier 15y agoWhat does this mean to existing SIP/Jingle based systems? Are they now deprecated, or is there some kind of interoperability planned?