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What are you even talking about. Nissan sales have collapsed, the Leaf went from one of the most sold cars to small program and is being discontinued in many pl

by nickik 6y ago

What are you even talking about. Nissan sales have collapsed, the Leaf went from one of the most sold cars to small program and is being discontinued in many places. Nissan has the Ariya coming out but not much beyond, their announced targets for electrification are embracingly bad compared to basically every other auto-maker. VWG and Renault are outselling Nissan by 2-3x in terms of BEV. And you don't have to lease the battery. The Renault Zoe is the second most sold EV in Europe. And I'm not sure what you mean by Tesla are not made to be repaired', that not the case. Tesla doesn't deliver parts as fast as other manufacturers but there is nothing inherent that makes it hard to repair.

justapassenger 6y ago
Tesla’s are famous for not being repairable by 3rd party shops. You lack documentation, software, getting parts is PITA, and Tesla will happily disable features in your car, if you repaired it in a way they don’t agree with (like disabling supercharging on salvaged cars).
- nickik 6y ago
  That is about business model, not about the car. Saying the car is not made for repairs is inaccurate. And for a lot of repairs the Tesla model is actually great, the mobile service will go to where your car is and fix most things. The problem of time is usually when have a crash and need body repair.
- natch 6y ago
  Tesla is just going through the growing pains of ramping production so their repair story is still a work in progress at the moment. They make it work as needed, but it’s not always ideal nor as widely available everywhere as people hope yet. It will get better. Disabling supercharging for DIY battery fix/hack jobs I assume is done to protect the network so that other cars are not impacted by a potentially incorrect or incomplete repair job. I believe it’s usually a heathy practice in life to look for the straightforward explanations that don’t assume bad motives in the part of the actor you are looking at. Disabling supercharging is not great in this respect but they have to weigh it against the downside of how it could possibly affect other drivers.
  - Teever 6y ago
    > I believe it’s usually a heathy practice in life to look for the straightforward explanations that don’t assume bad motives in the part of the actor you are looking at. Do you believe that or were you just attempting to sound virtuous while making a snarky comment? There are legitimate reasons to be concerned about the motives of Tesla and the actions that they take. The actions of a megacorp don't even have to be outright malicious to be threatening to an individual -- it's not that they hate you, it's just that they don't care about you.
  - Qwertious 6y ago
    >I believe it’s usually a heathy practice in life to look for the straightforward explanations that don’t assume bad motives in the part of the actor you are looking at. I hope that you balance it with a healthy skepticism of a publicly traded company's justifications for their profits. Tesla sells heated seats etc and when you buy it, what you get is a software update enabling the existing hardware - it's artificial scarcity done for business reasons, i.e. their add-ons business plan is built around preventing users from controlling their own hardware. This does not bode well for independent repair.
    - kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
      Disabled features don't impact repairability. This is no different than IBM selling mainframes with unlockable processors.
    - natch 6y ago
      > I hope that you balance it with a healthy skepticism Sure. And I have personal experience with service that tells me they aren’t so evil at all. I give the personal experience more weight than internet theories from people who don’t know of what they speak. Not referring to you necessarily but in general there are a lot of highly opinionated people here who have never bothered to acquaint themselves with the actual facts, instead relying on internet rumors or opinions from random people like Linus on Youtube, an expert on, of all things, PC hardware. > Tesla sells heated seats etc and when you buy it, what you get is a software update enabling the existing hardware - it's artificial scarcity That’s just an uninformed opinion. Tesla already explained why they did this, and the reasons were legitimate.
petre 6y ago
That's because they have screwed Ghosn over tax fraud. The man had vision and was relentless in making Renault Nissan a top auto company by volume and revenue. The current management lacks his vision and determination. Now VWG has caught up and Nissan was left with the "more expensive Renault" reputation. Just look at the Leaf's interior, it fully resembles a nicer Renault. The lease was a well intended move, however it was not well received by consumers and negated by envirinmental bonuses.

by nickik 6y ago

justapassenger 6y ago

Tesla’s are famous for not being repairable by 3rd party shops. You lack documentation, software, getting parts is PITA, and Tesla will happily disable features in your car, if you repaired it in a way they don’t agree with (like disabling supercharging on salvaged cars).

nickik 6y ago
That is about business model, not about the car. Saying the car is not made for repairs is inaccurate. And for a lot of repairs the Tesla model is actually great, the mobile service will go to where your car is and fix most things. The problem of time is usually when have a crash and need body repair.
natch 6y ago
Tesla is just going through the growing pains of ramping production so their repair story is still a work in progress at the moment. They make it work as needed, but it’s not always ideal nor as widely available everywhere as people hope yet. It will get better. Disabling supercharging for DIY battery fix/hack jobs I assume is done to protect the network so that other cars are not impacted by a potentially incorrect or incomplete repair job. I believe it’s usually a heathy practice in life to look for the straightforward explanations that don’t assume bad motives in the part of the actor you are looking at. Disabling supercharging is not great in this respect but they have to weigh it against the downside of how it could possibly affect other drivers.
- Teever 6y ago
  > I believe it’s usually a heathy practice in life to look for the straightforward explanations that don’t assume bad motives in the part of the actor you are looking at. Do you believe that or were you just attempting to sound virtuous while making a snarky comment? There are legitimate reasons to be concerned about the motives of Tesla and the actions that they take. The actions of a megacorp don't even have to be outright malicious to be threatening to an individual -- it's not that they hate you, it's just that they don't care about you.
- Qwertious 6y ago
  >I believe it’s usually a heathy practice in life to look for the straightforward explanations that don’t assume bad motives in the part of the actor you are looking at. I hope that you balance it with a healthy skepticism of a publicly traded company's justifications for their profits. Tesla sells heated seats etc and when you buy it, what you get is a software update enabling the existing hardware - it's artificial scarcity done for business reasons, i.e. their add-ons business plan is built around preventing users from controlling their own hardware. This does not bode well for independent repair.
  - kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
    Disabled features don't impact repairability. This is no different than IBM selling mainframes with unlockable processors.
  - natch 6y ago
    > I hope that you balance it with a healthy skepticism Sure. And I have personal experience with service that tells me they aren’t so evil at all. I give the personal experience more weight than internet theories from people who don’t know of what they speak. Not referring to you necessarily but in general there are a lot of highly opinionated people here who have never bothered to acquaint themselves with the actual facts, instead relying on internet rumors or opinions from random people like Linus on Youtube, an expert on, of all things, PC hardware. > Tesla sells heated seats etc and when you buy it, what you get is a software update enabling the existing hardware - it's artificial scarcity That’s just an uninformed opinion. Tesla already explained why they did this, and the reasons were legitimate.

petre 6y ago

That's because they have screwed Ghosn over tax fraud. The man had vision and was relentless in making Renault Nissan a top auto company by volume and revenue. The current management lacks his vision and determination. Now VWG has caught up and Nissan was left with the "more expensive Renault" reputation. Just look at the Leaf's interior, it fully resembles a nicer Renault. The lease was a well intended move, however it was not well received by consumers and negated by envirinmental bonuses.