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I really love the F-150 and it's size, but I don't need all the power it comes with and would love it to be a little more fuel efficient. I realize the coming

I really love the F-150 and it's size, but I don't need all the power it comes with and would love it to be a little more fuel efficient. I realize the coming hybrid model is going to be a fortune more than the non hybrid, but I am curious how expensive an all-electric model will be.

pmorici 6y ago
The CyberTruck starts at $39,900. Ford has to be in that ballpark to compete if they want to remain a going concern.
- alphabettsy 6y ago
  Just like the Model 3 is $35k ;)
  - pmorici 6y ago
    They stopped offering the 35k model because most people opted for the SR+ at 38,800
    - alphabettsy 6y ago
      Sure, but it wasn’t available at launch and now it doesn’t exist. I don’t have much faith in the 40k Cybertruck being widely or readily available based on that. It’s not really a dig at Tesla. Ford makes an F-150 that costs less than $30k, but most sold outside of fleets are higher trims and packed with options.
    - bushbaba 6y ago
      Because there was never a viable Tesla 35k car that made sense to buy.
  - reissbaker 6y ago
    Alright, so then $43k to compete, given typical Elon Musk numbers. Still a hard bar!
    - alphabettsy 6y ago
      Not sure how you figure. The one that will actually be available at launch and I’m guessing most people will buy, with AWD, is $50k.
      - nickik 6y ago
        This is a terrible argument. Of any car most people don't buy the base version. People wont buy the base version of an F-150 either. And just because Tesla once didn't offer a car with the price they said doesn't mean its some inherent law of nature. Tesla now is a very different company compared to 2017 when they built their first mass manufactured car. Fact is that Electric F-150 will not be able to compete with the Cybertruck on specs. Tesla will bring its now batteries and new packs and will reach range and performance that F-150 can't match.
        alphabettsy 6y ago
        Look. I’m not the person who brought up the 35k Model 3. I was pointing out that the absolute base car and base trim is a silly metric. They don’t have to compete with the base model. They can compete with the volume model. If they match it on specs and features it’s competitive. Tesla marketing has a habit of being very ambitious so we’ll see if the range and performance are better in the real-world. They certainly have the technology and battery advantage.
      - pmorici 6y ago
        Can you cite any car company that makes the cheapest version of a product available before the more expensive one? It makes good business sense to start with the more profitable model I’m not sure why you bring this up as if it is bad.
        jfim 6y ago
        The Mustang Mach-E GT and Mach-E GT Performance Edition aren't available until summer 2021 but the lower trim levels are available right now.
ip26 6y ago
Why is sheer bigness something to love about it? They literally don’t fit in many people’s garages anymore, they are so big. Honestly, can you help me understand?
- sammy533 6y ago
  Go sit it one of them. Its like a throne. They are amazing. There is a reason they are the best selling vehicle.
- agleason 6y ago
  It makes it enjoyable to drive for whatever reason, there's something that makes me feel good and powerful when I drive it (note that my girlfriend tells me I drive like a grandma). It's a comfortable car to drive, and it's pretty dependable in the long term (so I've heard, never owned one long time personally). Also it's a super useful car for carrying things around, helping friends move, etc.
- dplgk 6y ago
  Not surprised at all that two comments here defending the huge size talk about how it makes them feel special. Personally, I think people look like idiots driving around monster trucks for fun. Unless you're actually having big shit to a construction site. Sad that Ford had to start making the Ranger huge too.
nickik 6y ago
They might offer that, but only low volumes. They simply don't have the batteries to get anywhere close to 800k per year. If you calculate the battery required to pull that off, its actually insane. Ford talks a big game about electric F-150 but I bet the numbers will be more limited then many people hope.
alacombe 6y ago
> I really love the F-150 and it's size, but I don't need all the power it comes with Because you don't, doesn't other don't either. Quite the opposite. [and yes, I do need the >2000lb payload capacity.]
vvanders 6y ago
I honestly don't know why someone hasn't done a diesel-electric[1] truck yet with a moderate size battery. You'd have more torque than is possible, could ditch the transmission/transfer case/etc and it would allow you to build out a platform to understand the motor/electrification side of things with reasonable energy density until the battery curve catches up with high duty cycle usage. I mean locomotives moved to that powertrain decades ago(which is why the VFDs in current EVs are so fantastic) so it seems like a reasonable way to approach things. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel%E2%80%93electric_transmission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel%E2%80%93electric_transm...

pmorici 6y ago

The CyberTruck starts at $39,900. Ford has to be in that ballpark to compete if they want to remain a going concern.

alphabettsy 6y ago
Just like the Model 3 is $35k ;)
- pmorici 6y ago
  They stopped offering the 35k model because most people opted for the SR+ at 38,800
  - alphabettsy 6y ago
    Sure, but it wasn’t available at launch and now it doesn’t exist. I don’t have much faith in the 40k Cybertruck being widely or readily available based on that. It’s not really a dig at Tesla. Ford makes an F-150 that costs less than $30k, but most sold outside of fleets are higher trims and packed with options.
  - bushbaba 6y ago
    Because there was never a viable Tesla 35k car that made sense to buy.
- reissbaker 6y ago
  Alright, so then $43k to compete, given typical Elon Musk numbers. Still a hard bar!
  - alphabettsy 6y ago
    Not sure how you figure. The one that will actually be available at launch and I’m guessing most people will buy, with AWD, is $50k.
    - nickik 6y ago
      This is a terrible argument. Of any car most people don't buy the base version. People wont buy the base version of an F-150 either. And just because Tesla once didn't offer a car with the price they said doesn't mean its some inherent law of nature. Tesla now is a very different company compared to 2017 when they built their first mass manufactured car. Fact is that Electric F-150 will not be able to compete with the Cybertruck on specs. Tesla will bring its now batteries and new packs and will reach range and performance that F-150 can't match.
      - alphabettsy 6y ago
        Look. I’m not the person who brought up the 35k Model 3. I was pointing out that the absolute base car and base trim is a silly metric. They don’t have to compete with the base model. They can compete with the volume model. If they match it on specs and features it’s competitive. Tesla marketing has a habit of being very ambitious so we’ll see if the range and performance are better in the real-world. They certainly have the technology and battery advantage.
    - pmorici 6y ago
      Can you cite any car company that makes the cheapest version of a product available before the more expensive one? It makes good business sense to start with the more profitable model I’m not sure why you bring this up as if it is bad.
      - jfim 6y ago
        The Mustang Mach-E GT and Mach-E GT Performance Edition aren't available until summer 2021 but the lower trim levels are available right now.

ip26 6y ago

Why is sheer bigness something to love about it? They literally don’t fit in many people’s garages anymore, they are so big. Honestly, can you help me understand?

sammy533 6y ago
Go sit it one of them. Its like a throne. They are amazing. There is a reason they are the best selling vehicle.
agleason 6y ago
It makes it enjoyable to drive for whatever reason, there's something that makes me feel good and powerful when I drive it (note that my girlfriend tells me I drive like a grandma). It's a comfortable car to drive, and it's pretty dependable in the long term (so I've heard, never owned one long time personally). Also it's a super useful car for carrying things around, helping friends move, etc.
dplgk 6y ago
Not surprised at all that two comments here defending the huge size talk about how it makes them feel special. Personally, I think people look like idiots driving around monster trucks for fun. Unless you're actually having big shit to a construction site. Sad that Ford had to start making the Ranger huge too.

nickik 6y ago

They might offer that, but only low volumes. They simply don't have the batteries to get anywhere close to 800k per year. If you calculate the battery required to pull that off, its actually insane. Ford talks a big game about electric F-150 but I bet the numbers will be more limited then many people hope.

alacombe 6y ago

> I really love the F-150 and it's size, but I don't need all the power it comes with Because you don't, doesn't other don't either. Quite the opposite. [and yes, I do need the >2000lb payload capacity.]

vvanders 6y ago

I honestly don't know why someone hasn't done a diesel-electric[1] truck yet with a moderate size battery. You'd have more torque than is possible, could ditch the transmission/transfer case/etc and it would allow you to build out a platform to understand the motor/electrification side of things with reasonable energy density until the battery curve catches up with high duty cycle usage. I mean locomotives moved to that powertrain decades ago(which is why the VFDs in current EVs are so fantastic) so it seems like a reasonable way to approach things. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel%E2%80%93electric_transmission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel%E2%80%93electric_transm...