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absolutely a two-tiered justice system where is his deferred prosecution agreement? why wasnt it even offered here, was it offered here? all they try to pin o

absolutely a two-tiered justice system where is his deferred prosecution agreement? why wasnt it even offered here, was it offered here? all they try to pin on him is two bank secrecy act violations and don’t offer a “pay us to go away” route this state has zero credibility

1996 6y ago
well, that's because Hayes is right: the only difference is in the amount of the bribe. As a mere billionaire, he can only afford coconuts. HSBC can afford 1.92 billion dollar totally-not-a-bribes-even-if-it-works-the-same > After HSBC admitted to laundering nearly a billion dollars for the Sinaloa cartel and moving money for sanctioned customers in Cuba, Iran, Libya, Sudan, and Myanmar, the Justice Department elected not to indict the bank or its officials, instead having it pay a $1.92 billion fine and install a court-appointed compliance monitor. HSBC was only missing North Korea to get a perfect axis of evil collection :) > this state has zero credibility HN has even less. Wait a few hours and look at the offended virgins that will post angry replies saying the state is right and billionaires are evil in general, and this one in particular. Old school geeks used to be innovative, libertarians and pro freedom. In 2020, now that they're at the top of the food chain thanks to selling online ads, they are mostly concerned by enforcing societal norms and praising the status quo, while creating the perfect surveillance apparatus for the big government. Of course they must bow their heads to their corporate masters - they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them! A lost generation.
- arcticbull 6y ago
  > HN has even less. Wait a few hours and look at the offended virgins that will post angry replies saying the state is right and billionaires are evil in general, and this one in particular. The state is right to prosecute violations of the law. The issue is that deferred prosecutions shouldn't be offered to anyone, instead of as yourself and parent imply, being offered to this guy. In this case the system worked, in the others, it needs to be adjusted. Billionaires aren't evil although money and its distribution is a social contract, and redistribution is a natural part of fiscal policy. Billionaires built their largesse by leveraging systems and facilities of the state. Without the army, the roads, the legal system, they wouldn't have gotten far, and so they are required from time to time to chip back in. Not a virgin though, so I'm not sure how this fits into your calculus. > Old school geeks used to be innovative, libertarians and pro freedom. Not all innovation is good. Not all laws are bad. Our shared reality lies in the middle.
  - auston 6y ago
    > The issue is that deferred prosecutions shouldn't be offered to anyone, instead of as yourself and parent imply, being offered to this guy. In this case the system worked, in the others, it needs to be adjusted. If it is offered to others, it should be offered here. Let's keep people out of cages.
    - arcticbull 6y ago
      The argument often posited is that if you don't punish the big guys then they'll just keep doing it, and the government will look the other way because they get to be "in on the take". The solution to that isn't to punish nobody, it's to punish everyone.
    - lakecresva 6y ago
      I think it's pretty clear at this point that fines do not effectively deter white collar criminals.
- lazylizard 6y ago
  now im curious. who does fatty kim bank with? who issued him a credit card?
spoonjim 6y ago
Where’s his deferred prosecution agreement? He’s black, are you out of your mind?
- nefitty 6y ago
  I’m totally out of the loop on this but curious to know Hayes’ views on racism, especially considering how likely it is that he holds libertarian views. It piques my interest because I’ve recently been hearing heterodox views from commentators like Kmele Foster and seeing split reactions from the left.
  - seibelj 6y ago
    Plenty of non-white people are libertarian. It’s in the interest of mainstream political parties to say it’s only an ideology of straight white males as a way to dismiss it. But this simply isn’t true.
- r29vzg2 6y ago
  Is this bait?
  - spoonjim 6y ago
    Not really... do you think that a black person is going to get the kid gloves from the criminal justice system?
    - CryptoPunk 6y ago
      I don't see why not?
      - spoonjim 6y ago
        Then... you’re probably not black in America.
        6y ago

1996 6y ago

well, that's because Hayes is right: the only difference is in the amount of the bribe. As a mere billionaire, he can only afford coconuts. HSBC can afford 1.92 billion dollar totally-not-a-bribes-even-if-it-works-the-same > After HSBC admitted to laundering nearly a billion dollars for the Sinaloa cartel and moving money for sanctioned customers in Cuba, Iran, Libya, Sudan, and Myanmar, the Justice Department elected not to indict the bank or its officials, instead having it pay a $1.92 billion fine and install a court-appointed compliance monitor. HSBC was only missing North Korea to get a perfect axis of evil collection :) > this state has zero credibility HN has even less. Wait a few hours and look at the offended virgins that will post angry replies saying the state is right and billionaires are evil in general, and this one in particular. Old school geeks used to be innovative, libertarians and pro freedom. In 2020, now that they're at the top of the food chain thanks to selling online ads, they are mostly concerned by enforcing societal norms and praising the status quo, while creating the perfect surveillance apparatus for the big government. Of course they must bow their heads to their corporate masters - they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them! A lost generation.

arcticbull 6y ago
> HN has even less. Wait a few hours and look at the offended virgins that will post angry replies saying the state is right and billionaires are evil in general, and this one in particular. The state is right to prosecute violations of the law. The issue is that deferred prosecutions shouldn't be offered to anyone, instead of as yourself and parent imply, being offered to this guy. In this case the system worked, in the others, it needs to be adjusted. Billionaires aren't evil although money and its distribution is a social contract, and redistribution is a natural part of fiscal policy. Billionaires built their largesse by leveraging systems and facilities of the state. Without the army, the roads, the legal system, they wouldn't have gotten far, and so they are required from time to time to chip back in. Not a virgin though, so I'm not sure how this fits into your calculus. > Old school geeks used to be innovative, libertarians and pro freedom. Not all innovation is good. Not all laws are bad. Our shared reality lies in the middle.
- auston 6y ago
  > The issue is that deferred prosecutions shouldn't be offered to anyone, instead of as yourself and parent imply, being offered to this guy. In this case the system worked, in the others, it needs to be adjusted. If it is offered to others, it should be offered here. Let's keep people out of cages.
  - arcticbull 6y ago
    The argument often posited is that if you don't punish the big guys then they'll just keep doing it, and the government will look the other way because they get to be "in on the take". The solution to that isn't to punish nobody, it's to punish everyone.
  - lakecresva 6y ago
    I think it's pretty clear at this point that fines do not effectively deter white collar criminals.
lazylizard 6y ago
now im curious. who does fatty kim bank with? who issued him a credit card?

spoonjim 6y ago

Where’s his deferred prosecution agreement? He’s black, are you out of your mind?

nefitty 6y ago
I’m totally out of the loop on this but curious to know Hayes’ views on racism, especially considering how likely it is that he holds libertarian views. It piques my interest because I’ve recently been hearing heterodox views from commentators like Kmele Foster and seeing split reactions from the left.
- seibelj 6y ago
  Plenty of non-white people are libertarian. It’s in the interest of mainstream political parties to say it’s only an ideology of straight white males as a way to dismiss it. But this simply isn’t true.
r29vzg2 6y ago
Is this bait?
- spoonjim 6y ago
  Not really... do you think that a black person is going to get the kid gloves from the criminal justice system?
  - CryptoPunk 6y ago
    I don't see why not?
    - spoonjim 6y ago
      Then... you’re probably not black in America.
      - 6y ago