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>Marriages aren't supposed to end except in death. Says who? Every country I've lived in has provisions for ending marriages, so clearly it's not the only path

>Marriages aren't supposed to end except in death. Says who? Every country I've lived in has provisions for ending marriages, so clearly it's not the only path. >It's right there in the vows. What vows? Nobody in my family is religious, none of us made any claims about being together until death. And even then, lots of religions allow for divorce, even some sects of Christianity...

chrisseaton 6y ago
> What vows? In many cultures people make wedding vows about staying married until one of you dies.
garbagetime 6y ago
I don't think being religious is so relevant. Plenty of atheists view marriage as a life-long commitment.
- XorNot 6y ago
  And plenty do not, what's your point?
  - garbagetime 6y ago
    That the > Nobody in my family is religious point is out of place (because whether the family is religious seems to have little relevance)
  - eggbert12 6y ago
    Do civil unions have the same “benefits” of marriage? If not there should be. I think the distinction should be socio-cultural: if you don’t accept that this civil union is “till death do us part”, then by definition it shouldn’t be marriage - it’s a civil union. All the same benefits of marriage with none of the cultural components.
    - XorNot 6y ago
      Why would this be any business of the state? Why is it any business of yours how someone else defines the commitment of their long term relationship? It's not my responsibility to advertise my belief system to you.
      - eggbert12 6y ago
        Good points. The state shouldn't be in it at all, because calling it marriage can be an infringement on the religious liberties of others. Civil unions are the state-sanctioned "legal pairing of two humans", and marriages are the religious term for civil unions - and come with religious expectations. The state shouldn't be in the business of certifying christenings or bar mitzvahs, nor should it be in the business of marriage for the same exact reasons.

chrisseaton 6y ago

> What vows? In many cultures people make wedding vows about staying married until one of you dies.

garbagetime 6y ago

I don't think being religious is so relevant. Plenty of atheists view marriage as a life-long commitment.

XorNot 6y ago
And plenty do not, what's your point?
- garbagetime 6y ago
  That the > Nobody in my family is religious point is out of place (because whether the family is religious seems to have little relevance)
- eggbert12 6y ago
  Do civil unions have the same “benefits” of marriage? If not there should be. I think the distinction should be socio-cultural: if you don’t accept that this civil union is “till death do us part”, then by definition it shouldn’t be marriage - it’s a civil union. All the same benefits of marriage with none of the cultural components.
  - XorNot 6y ago
    Why would this be any business of the state? Why is it any business of yours how someone else defines the commitment of their long term relationship? It's not my responsibility to advertise my belief system to you.
    - eggbert12 6y ago
      Good points. The state shouldn't be in it at all, because calling it marriage can be an infringement on the religious liberties of others. Civil unions are the state-sanctioned "legal pairing of two humans", and marriages are the religious term for civil unions - and come with religious expectations. The state shouldn't be in the business of certifying christenings or bar mitzvahs, nor should it be in the business of marriage for the same exact reasons.