> If we have all eternity, would we have the drive to keep improving ourselves and our society? Are we improving ourselves or society now? I doubt many decisi

> If we have all eternity, would we have the drive to keep improving ourselves and our society? Are we improving ourselves or society now? I doubt many decisions humans make are concerned with improving society. Even if they are it is with respect to their perspective of what it means to improve society. A given society places constraints on people and incentivizes them to act in certain ways and over time this elicits changes in that society, but I don't see that constituting an improvement, unless your notion of improvement is simply change in the manner induced by societal pressures. But then improvement is guaranteed, tautologically, hence it is a a rather poor definition. If humans were to become immortal then it seems likely that the constraints and incentives of a given society would elicit different responses from its members, thereby inducing a different type of change. And again whether this is an improvement depends on what your definition of improvement is taken to be. Surely, should such a time come, these new immortals' notion of improvement should take precedence over our own. But I doubt they would take conscious control over the manner in which their society changes any more than we do presently. I have similar issues with the notion that we are, presently or at any time in the past, improving ourselves.