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It may not have direct monetary impacts as large but I would argue the effects of high street crime are much higher and harder to account for. People know that

by jjcon 6y ago

It may not have direct monetary impacts as large but I would argue the effects of high street crime are much higher and harder to account for. People know that backroom deals by fat cats negatively affect their lives, but they don’t feel physically unsafe because of them. Conversely if street crime is prevalent the people are fearful and feel unsafe in their homes. It only takes one break-in in a neighborhood to put everyone on their toes.

sudosysgen 6y ago
The relationship between feelings of safety and actual crime rate is incidental. Feelings of safety are moreso a product of the media up until a certain threshold we are very far from. Conversely, white collar crime absolutely does cause physical harm, as does most economic ruin, which is highly correlated with morbidity for the less fortunate.
- WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
  > The relationship between feelings of safety and actual crime rate is incidental. Two things that strongly support this are stranger kidnapping and domestic terrorism. Among possibilities that might take loved ones away from us, these are about the least likely. > Feelings of safety are moreso a product of the media The media reports distant tragedies as if they occurred in our own communities, leading the public to carry a sense of threat that doesn't reflect reality. However, the media is parroting (and amplifying) the messages that are given to it from LEO, Gov's and other official channels. The media's shortfall is to trust Gov/LEO messaging, without spending the few moments of analysis to vet it's integrity.
  - throwawayboise 6y ago
    Let's not give the media such a pass as simply trusting Gov/LEO messaging. Their interest is in getting and retaining your attention, and creating fear and anxiety is a proven way to do that. They do it knowingly and with intent.
    - WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
      > Let's not give the media such a pass as simply trusting Gov/LEO messaging. I was pointing out their ineptitude. Vetting info before publishing is 101.
  - watwut 6y ago
    Another supporting data point is fast of random murder or random rape when walking through streetd. Those are the most rare of murder and rape respectively - both are most likely to be committed by someone you know.
DangitBobby 6y ago
I guess it depends on the nature of the street crime. If people don't feel physically safe and that they can't reasonably protect their belongings, then yes that would have broad negative impact.
guerrilla 6y ago
> but they don’t feel physically unsafe because of it. That seems like a mistake since it can so easily and often cause poverty.
WitCanStain 6y ago
That may be the case on a local level, but if we could stop corporate crime we would all (theoretically) be better off -> less street crime overall.
- andi999 6y ago
  A better off thug is still a thug. How rich or poor a country is doesn't really imply how safe.(the other implication might exist though, high crime culture can lead to decline of a country)
  - wizzwizz4 6y ago
    > A better off thug is still a thug. Citation needed. > How rich or poor a country is doesn't really imply how safe. Well, only because that's measured in a way that means Bill Gates could make Tuvalu the world's richest country simply by moving there. That has no bearing on whether rich people are safer – and whether extreme poverty makes people more of a risk to others.
  - hannasanarion 6y ago
    Contrary to the breathless screeds from fox news, "thug" is not a type of person. Crime is something a person does, not who they are. When people do things, they do them for a reason. The most common reason for street crime is extreme poverty, and the most common cause of extreme poverty is white-collar crime.
    - andi999 6y ago
      So a cobbler is not a cobbler?
      - hannasanarion 6y ago
        Yes, but they can also be a criminal. Criminal is not a race. It is not a class. It is not a profession. Nobody is a criminal until they do a crime, and anyone can do a crime. Most crimes are done by poor people in desperation at great risk. The most harmful crimes are done by rich people out of greed with very little risk.

by jjcon 6y ago

sudosysgen 6y ago

The relationship between feelings of safety and actual crime rate is incidental. Feelings of safety are moreso a product of the media up until a certain threshold we are very far from. Conversely, white collar crime absolutely does cause physical harm, as does most economic ruin, which is highly correlated with morbidity for the less fortunate.

WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
> The relationship between feelings of safety and actual crime rate is incidental. Two things that strongly support this are stranger kidnapping and domestic terrorism. Among possibilities that might take loved ones away from us, these are about the least likely. > Feelings of safety are moreso a product of the media The media reports distant tragedies as if they occurred in our own communities, leading the public to carry a sense of threat that doesn't reflect reality. However, the media is parroting (and amplifying) the messages that are given to it from LEO, Gov's and other official channels. The media's shortfall is to trust Gov/LEO messaging, without spending the few moments of analysis to vet it's integrity.
- throwawayboise 6y ago
  Let's not give the media such a pass as simply trusting Gov/LEO messaging. Their interest is in getting and retaining your attention, and creating fear and anxiety is a proven way to do that. They do it knowingly and with intent.
  - WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
    > Let's not give the media such a pass as simply trusting Gov/LEO messaging. I was pointing out their ineptitude. Vetting info before publishing is 101.
- watwut 6y ago
  Another supporting data point is fast of random murder or random rape when walking through streetd. Those are the most rare of murder and rape respectively - both are most likely to be committed by someone you know.

DangitBobby 6y ago

I guess it depends on the nature of the street crime. If people don't feel physically safe and that they can't reasonably protect their belongings, then yes that would have broad negative impact.

guerrilla 6y ago

> but they don’t feel physically unsafe because of it. That seems like a mistake since it can so easily and often cause poverty.

WitCanStain 6y ago

That may be the case on a local level, but if we could stop corporate crime we would all (theoretically) be better off -> less street crime overall.

andi999 6y ago
A better off thug is still a thug. How rich or poor a country is doesn't really imply how safe.(the other implication might exist though, high crime culture can lead to decline of a country)
- wizzwizz4 6y ago
  > A better off thug is still a thug. Citation needed. > How rich or poor a country is doesn't really imply how safe. Well, only because that's measured in a way that means Bill Gates could make Tuvalu the world's richest country simply by moving there. That has no bearing on whether rich people are safer – and whether extreme poverty makes people more of a risk to others.
- hannasanarion 6y ago
  Contrary to the breathless screeds from fox news, "thug" is not a type of person. Crime is something a person does, not who they are. When people do things, they do them for a reason. The most common reason for street crime is extreme poverty, and the most common cause of extreme poverty is white-collar crime.
  - andi999 6y ago
    So a cobbler is not a cobbler?
    - hannasanarion 6y ago
      Yes, but they can also be a criminal. Criminal is not a race. It is not a class. It is not a profession. Nobody is a criminal until they do a crime, and anyone can do a crime. Most crimes are done by poor people in desperation at great risk. The most harmful crimes are done by rich people out of greed with very little risk.