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How do they take bitcoin? I’ve seen various invoicing systems that completely break in Tor+JS and in all noJS environments. If they shoehorned bitpay in, its p

How do they take bitcoin? I’ve seen various invoicing systems that completely break in Tor+JS and in all noJS environments. If they shoehorned bitpay in, its probably not tapping into the utility of having bitcoin payment options. I like paying invoices with Monero over Tor, while the merchant receives bitcoin that a third party pushed to them. I’ve been doing that for at least half a decade. But if I can’t access their invoice they just lose a customer.

wwwwwwwww 6y ago
They show you a BTC address and you send BTC to that address. Whatever arrives at the address is credited to your account. No "invoicing system" involved.
- vmception 6y ago
  Perfect!
- StavrosK 6y ago
  How do things like Morphtoken and Xmr.to handle the $20 Bitcoin transfer fee?
  - boring_twenties 6y ago
    Current BTC fee seems to be just over $1, not $20. I don't think MorphToken would work because as far as I can tell, they have no way to set a fixed amount of the destination currency. Other providers like ChangeNOW do offer that but they have much higher minimums, something like .003 BTC, which is obviously not useful for a $5 payment.
    - StavrosK 6y ago
      > Current BTC fee seems to be just over $1, not $20. Really? My Ledger app says 112 sat/byte, which comes out to $8 for me, and I'm pretty sure they were higher a few weeks ago, when I checked. Am I way overpaying? > I don't think MorphToken would work because as far as I can tell, they have no way to set a fixed amount of the destination currency. That's too bad, XMR.to was really useful for this...
      - boring_twenties 6y ago
        > Really? My Ledger app says 112 sat/byte, which comes out to $8 for me, and I'm pretty sure they were higher a few weeks ago, when I checked. Am I way overpaying? Hm, maybe? I think those clients usually just use the average fee paid in recent transactions, which will result in overpayment if everyone else is doing it too. The real question, "how low can I set the fee and still have my tx confirmed," is given an attempt at an answer by https://fees.watch https://fees.watch, which is what I checked -- it showed less than $2 for every speed at the time. To be honest I don't actually use Bitcoin, but I do use Ethereum regularly and I use this fees.watch site for that. My transactions almost always get confirmed exactly when expected, and it's almost always cheaper than whatever the wallet suggests.
        StavrosK 6y ago
        Thanks for the site! I set my own transaction fee a few times, resulting in unconfirmed transactions, so that helps!
      - vmception 6y ago
        set your own transaction fee. if you aren't in a rush then set a much much lower one
lawn 6y ago
They have a custom implementation.
namanyayg 6y ago
What third party are you using that does the xmr -> btc for you?
- vmception 6y ago
  these days, its Morphtoken and Xmr.to still waiting for something better but its good enough
  - _muff1nman_ 6y ago
    xmr.to has recently shut down[1]. It would be nice to see more services accepting monero directly. 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/la46ds/xmrto_service_is_shutting_down_job_done/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/la46ds/xmrto_servic...
    - vmception 6y ago
      that's too bad, thanks for spreading the word One day people will figure out how to connect XMR to other chains, really unlocking its value and utility for those markets
      - StavrosK 6y ago
        I think that's scheduled for September this year.
boring_twenties 6y ago
I used to use Mullvad but got sick of having to pay them via Bitcoin (or Bitcoin Cash, lol). I emailed them about accepting Monero directly and they said something like "we would like to but it's too much work." Ended up switching to IVPN, which actually costs more but is worth it for me not to have to deal with those shitcoins.
- vmception 6y ago
  But you could always pay them with Monero You can pay any bitcoin invoice with Monero and people have been doing that for 6 years
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  - boring_twenties 6y ago
    When xmr.to existed, sure. Not anymore.
    - vmception 6y ago
      Morphtoken, been using them for years on and off, not vouching for them, hope it works out
      - boring_twenties 6y ago
        As far as I can tell, MorphToken doesn't allow you to set a fixed destination amount. In other words, when going XMR->BTC you can't set or know the exact amount of BTC that will be delivered. ChangeNOW allows that, but has a much higher minimum, .003 BTC or so. Not useful for small transactions. And all of these services take many minutes to complete the exchange, by which time the invoice you're paying might expire. AFAIK xmr.to was the only one that did instant exchange with zero confirmations for smaller amounts.
- StavrosK 6y ago
  I really love paying with Monero as well. Fast, super cheap and anonymous. It's definitely my favorite coin to use (since I don't like speculation). I just wish it were more widespread as a payment option.

wwwwwwwww 6y ago

They show you a BTC address and you send BTC to that address. Whatever arrives at the address is credited to your account. No "invoicing system" involved.

vmception 6y ago
Perfect!
StavrosK 6y ago
How do things like Morphtoken and Xmr.to handle the $20 Bitcoin transfer fee?
- boring_twenties 6y ago
  Current BTC fee seems to be just over $1, not $20. I don't think MorphToken would work because as far as I can tell, they have no way to set a fixed amount of the destination currency. Other providers like ChangeNOW do offer that but they have much higher minimums, something like .003 BTC, which is obviously not useful for a $5 payment.
  - StavrosK 6y ago
    > Current BTC fee seems to be just over $1, not $20. Really? My Ledger app says 112 sat/byte, which comes out to $8 for me, and I'm pretty sure they were higher a few weeks ago, when I checked. Am I way overpaying? > I don't think MorphToken would work because as far as I can tell, they have no way to set a fixed amount of the destination currency. That's too bad, XMR.to was really useful for this...
    - boring_twenties 6y ago
      > Really? My Ledger app says 112 sat/byte, which comes out to $8 for me, and I'm pretty sure they were higher a few weeks ago, when I checked. Am I way overpaying? Hm, maybe? I think those clients usually just use the average fee paid in recent transactions, which will result in overpayment if everyone else is doing it too. The real question, "how low can I set the fee and still have my tx confirmed," is given an attempt at an answer by https://fees.watch https://fees.watch, which is what I checked -- it showed less than $2 for every speed at the time. To be honest I don't actually use Bitcoin, but I do use Ethereum regularly and I use this fees.watch site for that. My transactions almost always get confirmed exactly when expected, and it's almost always cheaper than whatever the wallet suggests.
      - StavrosK 6y ago
        Thanks for the site! I set my own transaction fee a few times, resulting in unconfirmed transactions, so that helps!
    - vmception 6y ago
      set your own transaction fee. if you aren't in a rush then set a much much lower one

lawn 6y ago

They have a custom implementation.

namanyayg 6y ago

What third party are you using that does the xmr -> btc for you?

vmception 6y ago
these days, its Morphtoken and Xmr.to still waiting for something better but its good enough
- _muff1nman_ 6y ago
  xmr.to has recently shut down[1]. It would be nice to see more services accepting monero directly. 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/la46ds/xmrto_service_is_shutting_down_job_done/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/la46ds/xmrto_servic...
  - vmception 6y ago
    that's too bad, thanks for spreading the word One day people will figure out how to connect XMR to other chains, really unlocking its value and utility for those markets
    - StavrosK 6y ago
      I think that's scheduled for September this year.

boring_twenties 6y ago

I used to use Mullvad but got sick of having to pay them via Bitcoin (or Bitcoin Cash, lol). I emailed them about accepting Monero directly and they said something like "we would like to but it's too much work." Ended up switching to IVPN, which actually costs more but is worth it for me not to have to deal with those shitcoins.

vmception 6y ago
But you could always pay them with Monero You can pay any bitcoin invoice with Monero and people have been doing that for 6 years
- deleted 6y ago
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- boring_twenties 6y ago
  When xmr.to existed, sure. Not anymore.
  - vmception 6y ago
    Morphtoken, been using them for years on and off, not vouching for them, hope it works out
    - boring_twenties 6y ago
      As far as I can tell, MorphToken doesn't allow you to set a fixed destination amount. In other words, when going XMR->BTC you can't set or know the exact amount of BTC that will be delivered. ChangeNOW allows that, but has a much higher minimum, .003 BTC or so. Not useful for small transactions. And all of these services take many minutes to complete the exchange, by which time the invoice you're paying might expire. AFAIK xmr.to was the only one that did instant exchange with zero confirmations for smaller amounts.
StavrosK 6y ago
I really love paying with Monero as well. Fast, super cheap and anonymous. It's definitely my favorite coin to use (since I don't like speculation). I just wish it were more widespread as a payment option.